Darth Maul vs ROTJ Vader

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Proof it's a total what-if? Moreover, it still shows that Vader defeated Maul in a duel...and Maul being aided by the Prophets

WTF do you mean "prove it's a total what-if"? It's an Infinity, and nothing else has been brought to suggest everything that happened, did just that, happen. And, again, it's an Infinity, and it holds no water so it doesn't count for shit. I could see Outbid but Never Outgunned being canon (Ailyn Vel), but not this, especially considering that she was featured in an actual canon comic.

Like I said, Vader will defeat Maul, but why are you bringing in non-canon BS into play?

Let me bring forth to you what your precious Wiki source says:

"The following are Tales stories that have had a reference to them published in a canon source. The scope of the reference varies; some, such as Darth Vader: Extinction, have almost their entire story referenced, while others, such as Resurrection, may have no more than a planet name reprinted."

Planet name reprinted. That's it, according to the "non-official third party source on Star Wars"

Where's the infinities label? It's not on Darth Vader: Extinction or Yaddle's Tale and those were before Ressurection.

All stories from Issue #20 and before have been retroactively labelled Infinities, placing them outside the canon. Starting with Issue #21, when Tales changed editors, all stories are considered to be within continuity, unless labelled otherwise. Tales stories from before Issue #21 are still considered non-canon, although canon references to the stories can and have been made, which incorporates those elements referenced into official continuity.

On Wiki.

So if there's a later reference of Vader beating Maul, we know it happened. If there isn't... we don't know.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where's the infinities label? It's not on Darth Vader: Extinction or Yaddle's Tale and those were before Ressurection.

See my edit.

Insider could be taken that way

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Insider could be taken that way

You don't even know what the Insider says, Lightsnake. Your arguement came from Wiki.

The listing of canon references comes from there...I notice you're not getting on Revolver's case for using Wiki, which tends to be pretty reliable

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The listing of canon references comes from there...I notice you're not getting on Revolver's case for using Wiki, which tends to be pretty reliable

Why should I be getting on his case? He's not making an argument from Wiki. Either way, it was just a planet name reprinted, which means absolutely zilch for the actual story.

Look at his post, it's copied and pasted from Wiki

we all agree that vader wtfpwns maul though, right?

Vader
A once promising member of the Galactic peace-keeping Jedi Knights, Anakin Skywalker embraced the Dark Side of the mystical Force to become the powerful and merciless Darth Vader. Able to kill with a gesture or carve his foes to pieces with his lightsaber, Vader’s very name makes galaxies tremble.

Maul
His origin shrouded in mystery, this much is known about Darth Maul: He makes up half of the sinister prophecy of the Dark Lords of the Sith. More agile than a cat and deadlier than a cobra, Maul can strike twice as quickly thanks to his dual lightsaber.

THE BATTLE... Deep in thought within his meditation chamber, Darth Vader senses an odd disturbance in the Force. Unsettled, the Dark Lord emerges from his chamber only to be knocked on his back. Above him, with a devilish grin, stands Darth Maul prepared to strike. He twirls his double-bladed lightsaber and lunges at Vader…who instinctively whips out his blade, blocking the blow. A quick Force shove later, and Vader’s up on his feet staring into Maul’s intense gaze. Unrelenting, Maul launches a full strike, swinging his blade rapid fire. Sparks fly as Maul outmaneuvers Vader, and a kick sends Vader against a cold steel wall. Taunting Vader with his saber, Maul lets loose a “Ha, no contest” grin. And that’s all Vader needs. Commanding the Force, Vader bounces Maul around the room, eventually grabbing him by the neck and running him through. Game over.

Maul would win, and fairly easily. I don't think there's any way that RotJ Vader could hope to stand up to this kind of speed , let alone surpass it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP9FlSqaqSI&search=ray%20park
(from Time index 20 seconds)

Vious, you're aware Vader is actually FAST and these two fought before? Vader won.

That's Ray Park, not Darth Maul. I could bring up a video of Samuel L Jackson then say that Mace would never keep up with Maul...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Vious, you're aware Vader is actually FAST and these two fought before? Vader won.

Originally posted by kamikz
That's Ray Park, not Darth Maul. I could bring up a video of Samuel L Jackson then say that Mace would never keep up with Maul...

That's Vader moving at normal speed against Luke. In the EU-which is valid, sorry- he moves extremely fast. In fact, he shows himself as a quick and skilled duelist against Luke

And I don't give a **** if Vader 'had' to win. He still won. And no, he could've lost and Palpatine could've saved him. Vader beat Maul before PRE-ROTJ, end of story

Edit: To Vious comment.

Yes, that ****ing matters. You can't bring a clip of Ray Park then say that Maul would be able to outspeed Vader because of that. Ray Park isn't Darth Maul. He portraied him in the movie, but Ray Park isn't Darth Maul....... And it doesn't matter anyway....
And stop bitching about the plot necessarity, he lost while he was fighting to the best of his abilities, as did most of the people in star wars. Sure he was unlucky at the end, but that means shit because we actually saw him fight before.....

Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's Vader moving at normal speed against Luke. In the EU-which is valid, sorry- he moves extremely fast. In fact, he shows himself as a quick and skilled duelist against Luke

Originally posted by Lightsnake

And I don't give a **** if Vader 'had' to win.

Originally posted by kamikz
Yes, that ****ing matters. You can't bring a clip of Ray Park then say that Maul would be able to outspeed Vader because of that. Ray Park isn't Darth Maul. He portraied him in the movie, but Ray Park isn't Darth Maul.......

Originally posted by kamikz

And stop bitching about the plot necessarity, he lost while he was fighting to the best of his abilities, as did most of the people in star wars. Sure he was unlucky at the end, but that means shit because we actually saw him fight before.....