Darth Maul vs ROTJ Vader · Star Wars Versus Forum

Lightsnake Senior Member

Vader beat Maul. He didn't have to win the fight as it could've been infinities and Palpatine could've interfered. Vader Won.

Vader won.

Deal. With. It

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Again. What would Palpatine and Mace have to do with a fight between Vader and Maul?
Stop mentioning them. They play no part in this. THEY ARE IRRELEVENT
SH showed how fast Maul could move if he had to. TPM did not require him to move that fast because he had to lose. If he had not had to lose, then there is nothing in TPM to contradict SH.
The EU LightSnake is refering to IS contradicted by the movie of RotJ, which shows precicely how fast Vader can (or more accurately, cannot) block. It is a clear case of one EU being contradicted by the movie, and the other not, so I said nothing hypocritical, and do not misquote me, because you just embarass yourself.

No, you just don't get it.....

ROTJ Vader had to loose as well, so.... And I quoted similair to what you had said before, so your embarassing yourself. And no it doesn't contradict it, because Vader has never fought very seriousley in the movies...

Generic Hero KGB

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how fast he was moving in RotJ.

Why not? Vader hunted down the Jedi Knights (the ones good enough to survive Order 66), which means he had the speed to keep up with them and pwn them.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Vader beat Maul. He didn't have to win the fight as it could've been infinities and Palpatine could've interfered. Vader Won.
Vader won.
Vader won.
Deal. With. It

Chanting and stamping your feet like a child is not going to prove your point. You still have not provided proof that Vader could block such fast moves in RotJ, so as was revealed in the Vodo Vs Yoda thread, it is clear that you simply refuse to accept the evidence that is provided and refuse to provide any of your own. There is no point wasting my time debating this with you.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Vader won, Vader won, Vader won. Vader was better. Vader had every disadvantage. And Maul died. You lose. Get over it.
You lose.
You lose.
You lose.
Shut up

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by kamikz
No, you just don't get it.....
ROTJ Vader had to loose as well, so.... And I quoted similair to what you had said before, so your embarassing yourself. And no it doesn't contradict it, because Vader has never fought very seriousley in the movies...

Listen up, Vader had to lose in RotJ, but that didn't mean he had to get a hand cut off. He could've just had his saber flicked into the shaft. He was clearly overpowered by Luke's attack, which, as mentioned before, was nowhere near as fast as the moves Ray was pulling off with ease (and which Maul was shown to do in SH)
You still have not provided proof that Vader could block such fast moves in RotJ.

Lightsnake Senior Member

You lose. You nlose. You lose.
Vader beat Maul. Vader beat Maul.

Shut up

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Vader won, Vader won, Vader won. Vader was better. Vader had every disadvantage. And Maul died. You lose. Get over it.
You lose.
You lose.
You lose.
Shut up

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That's even funnier than your total pwnage in the Vodo Vs Yoda thread! You can't prove your point, so shut up and f*ck off 😆 😆

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Generic Hero
Why not? Vader hunted down the Jedi Knights (the ones good enough to survive Order 66), which means he had the speed to keep up with them and pwn them.

It has nothing to do with it becaue RotJ is a movie You can actually see how fast Luke and Vader were moving when they fought, and you can clearly see that it is nowhere near as fast as Ray was in that clip. To be honest, I think Maul was spinning his saber in TPM almost as fast at times, and certainly still faster than Vader or Luke.

Lightsnake Senior Member

You lose, you lose, you lose. Shut up.

Vader was declared Palpatine's strongest apprentice. Vader's been shown as slaughtering Jedi. Vader's killed Maul before.

And Yoda is declared as the strongest Jedi ever up to the prequels. So he>Vodo

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You lose, you lose, you lose. Shut up.
Vader was declared Palpatine's strongest apprentice. Vader's been shown as slaughtering Jedi. Vader's killed Maul before.
And Yoda is declared as the strongest Jedi ever up to the prequels. So he>Vodo

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You can't prove your points! What Vader was declared means nothing. Vader has not been shown slaughtering Jedi on screen, so once more, nothing. Vader killed Maul in a comic that is little more than published fan fiction.
Look at RotJ movie. Vader might not have been fighting his hardest, but Luke certainly was, and he was nowhere near that fast. That is a fact.

If you seriously think that Yoda is superior to Vodo, then you're sadly mistaken.
Good Bye

Lightsnake Senior Member

Vader's been shown slaughtering Jedi. Vader killed Maul.

Yoda is directly called the strongest Jedi period. In the ROTS novelization. And Power of the Jedi.

You lose. You lose, you lose. Shut up

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Vader's been shown slaughtering Jedi. Vader killed Maul.
Yoda is directly called the strongest Jedi period. In the ROTS novelization. And Power of the Jedi.
You lose. You lose, you lose. Shut up

Stop chanting like a child and post proof.
Prove that Luke was fighting as fast, or faster than Ray was in the clip, and I'll accept your point. Fact of the matter is you can't because proof does not exist. As with the Vodo Vs Yoda thread, you are beaten because you can't prove your point, and do not have the sense to admit it and let it drop.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Prove Luke was fast? Have eyes?
ROTS novelization states Yoda was the strongest Jedi master of all time up to that point. Power of the Jedi says the same. Meaning, survey says....he was!

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Listen up, Vader had to lose in RotJ, but that didn't mean he had to get a hand cut off. He could've just had his saber flicked into the shaft. He was clearly overpowered by Luke's attack, which, as mentioned before, was nowhere near as fast as the moves Ray was pulling off with ease (and which Maul was shown to do in SH)
You still have not provided proof that Vader could block such fast moves in RotJ.

The films had poor choreography at this time, if Lucas made them now of course he would make them as they were in the PT. But other sources has shown that Vader with EASE took out several jedi masters at the same time. Other jedi masters are NOT slow, and Maul would certainley not own several jedi masters. THIS DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE MOVIE, GET IT!!!!

Did SH say, "Maul pulled exceptional cool moves like Ray Park did in his show, spinning his saber uselessly around, using it as eyecandy except of fighting smart".....
And this also brings us to my other point. Because Samuel L sucks at sword fighting doesn't mean that Mace does. Shatterpoint describes him as a goddamn good swordsman, but this apparently contradicts the movie in your opinion....

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove Luke was fast?

That wasn't what I said. I said, prove Luke was that fast. Have eyes?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
ROTS novelization states Yoda was the strongest Jedi master of all time up to that point. Power of the Jedi says the same. Meaning, survey says....he was!

I don't recall the movies saying that, and they outweigh the novelizations. Sorry, but Vodo had way more knowledge than Yoda and didn't even need to carry a lightsaber. It's already been proven that Vodo was more powerfull than Yoda in the other thread, so don't even try challenging a debate that's already been settled.

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

No, just because in the films no one said, "Yoda is the greatest" doesn't mean he isn't. It doesn't contradict the movies.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by kamikz
The films had poor choreography at this time, if Lucas made them now of course he would make them as they were in the PT. But other sources has shown that Vader with EASE took out several jedi masters at the same time. Other jedi masters are NOT slow, and Maul would certainley not own several jedi masters. THIS DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE MOVIE, GET IT!!!!

Rather than breaking out the caps lock, maybe you'd like to listen and learn. on the Feel the Force documentary, Lucas explained that the reasons why the OT duels were not as good as the PT duels was because of the people fighting them:An old man. Someone who was half machine and a half trained boy. Hamill and Prouse trained under a fencing instructor (I think an Olympic medal winner) so they had equal training to that given to Ewan, Hayden and the others, but the fact was the duels were not being fought by Jedi in their prime (or in 'their flower', to use Lucas' exact phrase) so they weren't supposed to be as good.
The 'other sources' you refer to are comics and novelizations. It is impossible to determine speed from a stationary image. Nowhere in RotJ did Vader (or Luke, who was fighting to his full) move as fast as Ray showed he could move without warmup. Maul was never required to use those skills in TPM, but, had he been called to use them (as in SH) then they would have been performable.

Originally posted by kamikz
Did SH say, "Maul pulled exceptional cool moves like Ray Park did in his show, spinning his saber uselessly around, using it as eyecandy except of fighting smart".....

It makes frequent references to Maul spinning his saber to deflect blaster bolts and cut through a wall when he had an RPG fired at him. Had those skills been required in TPM, then Park could have performed them.

Originally posted by kamikz
And this also brings us to my other point. Because Samuel L sucks at sword fighting doesn't mean that Mace does.

Who says Sam sucks at sword fighting? Ever seen 51st State? He uses one of his golf clubs very much like a lightsaber, and WTFpwns a gang of skinheads

Originally posted by kamikz
Shatterpoint describes him as a goddamn good swordsman, but this apparently contradicts the movie in your opinion....

I haven't read Shatterpoint, but do not presume to say what does or does not constitute my opinion. I think that Palpatine's use of a saber is totally obvious, but Maces is supposed to be synchopated and 'illogical' in its movements. You cannot use the same standards to judge Vaapad as you would Makashi, because they are two totally different styles of fightning.

Once more though, the Mace/Sam debate has absolutely nothing to do with Vader Vs Maul, so stop trying to drag the debate off topic.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by kamikz
No, just because in the films no one said, "Yoda is the greatest" doesn't mean he isn't. It doesn't contradict the movies.

Is Yoda a Holocron keeper?
Did Yoda ever imbue his walking stick with the Force?
Did Vodo even need to carry a lightsaber?

The answer to all those questions is No.
As I said before, the other debate proved that Vodo was the greater Jedi Master, so stop trying to argue a point that has already been proven and decided upon. If you want proof, look in the other thread, it's all there.

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

There has been proof providing that Yoda knew all jedi techniques, was greater than any jedi before him, said to be "the greatest threat that darkness had ever faced" until the time of Luke Skywalker.

Why would Yoda need to, the lightsaber was a better tool for the jedi than the walking stick apparently, since that could break in battle. Yoda's stick was also a gift from the wookiees, I doubt he wanted to ruin it, besides, it is too short to be wielded as a weapon. And you can't say that because Vodo had a staff and Yoda a lightsaber that means that Vodo is better.

You can prove to me that Vodo is greater....