Originally posted by Soleran
it just boils down to everything is energy, it all resides in different states.
Actually, you are right. That seems to be the theory at the moment. I am not sure if I subscribe to it, but I understand what you are saying. And you are most likely right. Sorry, I guess I can be quite stubborn. Debbie you are right. I will jsut go shoot myself now.
Originally posted by Bardock42What!!!!!.............OH MY GOD.........It must be Armageddon........ 😱
Actually, you are right. That seems to be the theory at the moment. I am not sure if I subscribe to it, but I understand what you are saying. And you are most likely right. Sorry, I guess I can be quite stubborn. Debbie you are right. I will jsut go shoot myself now.
OK.......Beers for Bardock..cheers..........and Pretzels...
Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually, you are right. That seems to be the theory at the moment. I am not sure if I subscribe to it, but I understand what you are saying. And you are most likely right. Sorry, I guess I can be quite stubborn. Debbie you are right. I will jsut go shoot myself now.
Debbie, you can go off topic here, this forum is beyond salvation. 😛
Re: Is God all he's cracked up to be?
Originally posted by lord xyz
Let's see, he's all knowing, even though he couldn't even find Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He said "Showeth thy faces" did he not? He supposedly all good, but everyone who sins against him gets tortured, punished and if they're not forgiven, for all eternity. He's said to be all intelligent and great, but, all you have to do is, apolygise, and then you're in heaven, so I could kill 20 people a day, and when I'm dying say "I'm sorry god, please forgive my sins" and then I'm in heaven! Not very smart. 😬 Not only that, it's said before the flood, everyone was happy and good and free, after the flood, everyone's evil and hateful. Looks to me like a cock-up.So if God's stupid, evil and crap, why do they tell us the opposite? You'd think they'd figure it out by themselves wouldn't they?
misinterpretations about god.
God is all powerful and all knowing. but not all loving.
Oops ! I have arrived a little too late. The discussion already finished... 🙁 but anyway in the way physics see things, energy is usually taken as a property that things have, not necessarily that those things must be energy... at first look at least. But current theories suggests that some diferent entities in physics that are not necessarily the same, like energy, and mass for example, or even frequency in one way, can be energy itself. I mean... we usually think of mass and energy like being diferent things, but it was discovered that these two "diferent" things behave exactly like the other in many aspects. This means that maybe they are not two diferent things but just one thing. Take for example E=mc^2, you could make c=1 depending on the unit system you choose, that will make E=m, or "energy equals mass", that c does not really matter too much, its more a convention. This same line of reasoning could be extended to many other things not just mass like if the universe itself had just one real entity from where other things derive. That is what physicists are working in when they are trying to unify all forces and everything.
Re: Re: Is God all he's cracked up to be?
Originally posted by ROYALGUARDThere are always misinterpretations on what we would think god would be. First of all, the bible is only myth stories that were taken from earlier pagan stories.....Also, we could never even try to fathom what we might think god would or could be or not be.... As for being all powerful it would depend? Are you talking about the creative force visible and invisible? In that case I would say that it would be very powerful, but we are also part of that creative force. If everything is energy visible and invisible then that would mean that everything is connected, so we are parts of what it is....IMO...<-----
misinterpretations about god.God is all powerful and all knowing. but not all loving.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Oops ! I have arrived a little too late. The discussion already finished... 🙁 but anyway in the way physics see things, energy is usually taken as a property that things have, not necessarily that those things must be energy... at first look at least. But current theories suggests that some diferent entities in physics that are not necessarily the same, like energy, and mass for example, or even frequency in one way, can be energy itself. I mean... we usually think of mass and energy like being diferent things, but it was discovered that these two "diferent" things behave exactly like the other in many aspects. This means that maybe they are not two diferent things but just one thing. Take for example E=mc^2, you could make c=1 depending on the unit system you choose, that will make E=m, or "energy equals mass", that c does not really matter too much, its more a convention. This same line of reasoning could be extended to many other things not just mass like if the universe itself had just one real entity from where other things derive. That is what physicists are working in when they are trying to unify all forces and everything.
Yes, I realized that towo days ago..that obviously doesn't necessarily mean that we are all energy, but that there are theories that imply that everything can be brought down to energy.....
Originally posted by Bardock42
God can not be all-powerful an if he is all-knowing there is no free will.....also not for God.
yes God is all powerful as in he created everything. he is also allknowing because all powerful means all knowing.God is powerful to know Everything thus all knowing. God also gave us free will. and that.. which gives us the chance to fvcked up everything He created. anything goes now.
Originally posted by ROYALGUARD
yes God is all powerful as in he created everything. he is also allknowing because all powerful means all knowing.God is powerful to know Everything thus all knowing. God also gave us free will. and that.. which gives us the chance to fvcked up everything He created. anything goes now.
There is a difference in creating everything (which might be) and being all-powerful (which is a logical impossibility).
The problem is if we have free will then we can do something that he doesn't know ahead...if he knows it right away, it's not free, it's lined out. So the thing is either he didn't give us free will or he isn't all knowing...
lets just say God knows every possible things that might happened when we chose to do either ''this'' or ''that'' or 'those'' options.
so there are many different types of endings of a person's life. and God knows every type of endings depending on how we chose our options.
ill give you multiple endings. (but in reality God knows infinite endings)
a christian guy is tempted to commit sin
decides to sin and gambles with a lotto ticket. he either win or lose.
or
decides to ignore the lotto tickets and drives away from the liquor store. then all of the sudden... (what ever happens)
just my example of co-existance of all powerful all knowing God and free will
Originally posted by ROYALGUARD
lets just say God knows every possible things that might happened when we chose to do either ''this'' or ''that'' or 'those'' options.so there are many different types of endings of a person's life. and God knows every type of endings depending on how we chose our options.
ill give you multiple endings. (but in reality God knows infinite endings)
a christian guy is tempted to commit sin
decides to sin and gambles with a lotto ticket. he either win or lose.
or
decides to ignore the lotto tickets and drives away from the liquor store. then all of the sudden... (what ever happens)
Okay, so you are saying God knows every possibility, but not what we will choose. Then he's also not all knowing. Quite knowing, but not all-knowing.
Originally posted by ROYALGUARDSince when is buying a Lotto ticket a sin????
lets just say God knows every possible things that might happened when we chose to do either ''this'' or ''that'' or 'those'' options.so there are many different types of endings of a person's life. and God knows every type of endings depending on how we chose our options.
ill give you multiple endings. (but in reality God knows infinite endings)
a christian guy is tempted to commit sin
decides to sin and gambles with a lotto ticket. he either win or lose.
or
decides to ignore the lotto tickets and drives away from the liquor store. then all of the sudden... (what ever happens)just my example of co-existance of all powerful all knowing God and free will
The problem is if we have free will then we can do something that he doesn't know ahead...if he knows it right away, it's not free, it's lined out. So the thing is either he didn't give us free will or he isn't all knowing...Yep, and this would also go along with the "Predestination" doctrine...