Mace and Yoda vs. Count Dooku and Sidious(ROTS)

Originally posted by Rampant ox
That fight has little to do with what we are talking about. The outcome coud have been that Mace won because he was influenced by both sides of the force. Or Sids could have faked defeat because he seemed to have a lot more sith lightning in reserve.

Damnit!

Sidious didn't fake getting overpowered by Mace in Lightsaber combat.

That was CONFIRMED by GL. Nor was Sidious able to lob Mace out of the window with his Lightning. Sidious needed Anakins assistance to defeat Mace.

If it had not been for Anakin, the Dark Lord would be DEAD!

Originally posted by Rampant ox
It was because Sids OUTSMARTED Yoda to get the high ground that it was an uneven fight. It would have been an uneven fight if Yoda had the high ground but he didnt because Sids bet him to it. The fight was a stalemate because Yoda ran away. If the match had kept going Sids would have won. And yes there is every chance Yoda would win on a Tatooine desert but what im saying is because Sids, lets say 'had the advantage', in ROTS it only logical that he would 'have the advantage' again.

Why exactly is that? Sids had the advantage WITH HIGH GROUND. How is he going to get high ground on Tatooine? Is he going to fly?

Originally posted by PooPoo McGee
Can we say random illogical assumptions?

For christs sake, TDTD!

Just wait until your ban is over!

Originally posted by Rampant ox
It was because Sids OUTSMARTED Yoda to get the high ground that it was an uneven fight. It would have been an uneven fight if Yoda had the high ground but he didnt because Sids bet him to it. The fight was a stalemate because Yoda ran away. If the match had kept going Sids would have won. And yes there is every chance Yoda would win on a Tatooine desert but what im saying is because Sids, lets say 'had the advantage', in ROTS it only logical that he would 'have the advantage' again.

Ughh... so Sidious is going to outsmart Yoda to get to the high ground when... there is no high ground to get to?

Is he going to fly? Steal Jango's jetpack? Use the power of almighty Artoo?

Sidious used the terrain to his advantage in one fight, yes. But that does not make him the superior fighter overall.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Ughh... so Sidious is going to outsmart Yoda to get to the high ground when... [b]there is no high ground to get to?

Is he going to fly? Steal Jango's jetpack? Use the power of almighty Artoo?

Sidious used the terrain to his advantage in one fight, yes. But that does not make him the superior fighter overall. [/B]

^ Exactly.

Not to mention, he STILL wasn't able to defeat Yoda even when he had the high ground.

That's the funny part.

Originally posted by PooPoo McGee
You're still missing the point. Regardless of how Sidious made it uneven, it was still an uneven fight, and it was a stalemate. The fight was stalemate because they both fell. Put Yoda back up there with no stormtroopers on the way, see if Sidious could take him himself. Just stop posting on this topic.

You are making to many assumptions here. Put it this way. It was a stalemate because Yoda fell.
Yoda fell because they force pushed each other.
Sids didnt fall because he had the better position. Sids got the better position by outsmarting and possibly outduelling Yoda to get there.
Yoda wasnt put back up there after he fell which doesnt mean that he would win or lose if he kept going. But from what I saw Yoda ran away. Its that simple.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
You are making to many assumptions here. Put it this way. It was a stalemate because Yoda fell.
Yoda fell because they force pushed each other.
Sids didnt fall because he had the better position. Sids got the better position by outsmarting and possibly outduelling Yoda to get there.
Yoda wasnt put back up there after he fell which doesnt mean that he would win or lose if he kept going. But from what I saw Yoda ran away. Its that simple.

Sidious tried to run as well. You can't determine a fight by that.

Luckily, Yoda obtained the skill to stop him from fleeing.

Yoda fell from his own force explosion! He blasted them both with an extreme amount of pressured Force and Yoda flew farther because of the weight differential.

You're dodging the question. What advantage would Sidious have in lets say the Tatooine desert. Flat ground=no advantage

Oh yeah, because the original poster so set this match in the Tatooine desert.

I can say the same thing: What will stop Yoda from getting tooled in let's say the Senate Chambers... AGAIN?!

You're still missing the point. Regardless of how Sidious made it uneven, it was still an uneven fight, and it was a stalemate. The fight was stalemate because they both fell. Put Yoda back up there with no stormtroopers on the way, see if Sidious could take him himself. Just stop posting on this topic.

Last I checked, Yoda was blasted 200 feet from the pod to the ground and proceeded to spend the next 20 years in exile on Dagobah, while good ole' Palpatine took control of his good ole' GALAXY.

Palpatine won the damn fight. Yoda being more powerful didn't save his ass this time.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I also heard of rumours that Yoda disarmed Sidious in their lightsaber duel which caused Sidious to run for the high ground. Is this true?

Originally posted by Antediluvian
^ Exactly.

Not to mention, he STILL wasn't able to defeat Yoda even when he had the high ground.

That's the funny part.

He couldnt beat Yoda because Yoda ran away!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but I also heard of rumours that Yoda disarmed Sidious in their lightsaber duel which caused Sidious to run for the high ground. Is this true?

Yes, according to the RotS script.

Okay, this bloody fight really depends on the friggin' setting. What IS the friggin' setting?

But Hokage Yoda is banned so...

Originally posted by Major Motoko
Finally, we see Janus bring this thread back to balance, destroying the Fanboy with teh leet censor, thus fulfilling the prophecies.

We could always just click ignore. But nah... we wanna challenge that fanboy opinion with all the tools logic and reasoning gives us.

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
[b]Correct me if I'm wrong but I also heard of rumours that Yoda disarmed Sidious in their lightsaber duel which caused Sidious to run for the high ground. Is this true?

Yes, according to the RotS script. [/B]

Is the script cannon?

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Is the script cannon?

The final script? Yes.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Correct me if I'm wrong but I also heard of rumours that Yoda disarmed Sidious in their lightsaber duel which caused Sidious to run for the high ground. Is this true?

If Yoda disarmed Sids why didnt he finish him then? Was it because Sids was to quick? Or was Sids so much better with the force he managed to push Yoda out of the way and jump to high ground all before Yoda slashed at him? Your quote is supporting Sids not Yoda

Originally posted by Rampant ox
He couldnt beat Yoda because Yoda ran away!!

He had plenty of time. He was UNABLE to defeat Yoda.

He did not obtain the POWER to defeat Yoda.

Sidious tried to run FIRST.

Yoda ran because he fell from his OWN blast.

Do you GET it yet?

Does the final script say that Yoda disarmed Sidious in the lightsaber duel?

Originally posted by Rampant ox
If Yoda disarmed Sids why didnt he finish him then? Was it because Sids was to quick? Or was Sids so much better with the force he managed to push Yoda out of the way and jump to high ground all before Yoda slashed at him? Your quote is supporting Sids not Yoda

He pushed Yoda out of the way? I'm sorry, but when the hell did this happen?

Are you lying?

Wait a minute . . . You are lying!

That makes you a LIAR!