Originally posted by tdtd
Lets see if you can understand this. At no point in any time during SW was Obiwan more powerful than Yoda. He was the strongest good guy when Yoda wasn't introduced
Why would Yoda have to be introduced for Obi-Wan to be the strongest during ANH? The key words here are: during and ANH. Was Yoda around or not during ANH? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was seeing as he's alive during ESB. Therefore, this includes every "good guy" around during ANH, even some who weren't introduced.
Why would you argue in the face of a fact? I guess because Anakin wasn't introduced a year before TPM, however, still existing, Obi-Wan or some other clown had the most force potential. Iffy-example, but you should get the point. The basic is: character x doesn't have to be introduced to be included, as long as we know character x existed (or alive rather) -- it includes character x. And, in this case, character x = Yoda.
Originally posted by Motoko Kusanagi
Why would Yoda have to be introduced for Obi-Wan to be the strongest during ANH? The key words here are: [B]during and ANH. Was Yoda around or not during ANH? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was seeing as he's alive during ESB. Therefore, this includes every "good guy" around during ANH, even some who weren't introduced.Why would you argue in the face of a fact? I guess because Anakin wasn't introduced a year before TPM, however, still existing, Obi-Wan or some other clown had the most force potential. Iffy-example, but you should get the point. The basic is: character x doesn't have to be introduced to be included, as long as we know character x existed (or alive rather) -- it includes character x. And, in this case, character x = Yoda. [/B]
Um, because in no point was Obiwan stronger than Yoda, and when episode 4 came out, Yoda didn't exist as a character, so Obiwan was the strongest good guy at the time. So no, it doesn't include all the good guys that WEREN'T introduced.
I think DS is totally missing the point- Yoda is not depicted in the movie. He is not part of the "good guys" in ANH. He's somewhere in Dagobah growing fungi on his asscrack. The good guys in ANH include Luke, Chewbacca, Obi-Wan, Leia, Wedge, Biggs, random assorted rebels, and the droids.
Hmmm.... let's see which one of those is the strongest? Oh, could it be the JEDI MASTER?
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
"During" and "ANH" are never mentioned in the quote itself, so your argument is shot down right there.
If you're referring to me, I never said the quote said "during" and "ANH", I said it in my statement: Why would Yoda have to be introduced for Obi-Wan to be the strongest during ANH?
"During" and "ANH" were the key words of my statement, not the quotes.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
And how does your quote convey the same message as Lucas'?
"Obi-Wan, who at this point is the strongest good guy"
Let's see, I wonder how it reflects the quote -- seeing as Obi-Wan was only alive up to ANH, which accounts for the "ANH" part. And, "who at this point" goes towards the "during", considering it was referring to ANH.
Originally posted by tdtd
Lets see if you can understand this. At no point in any time during SW was Obiwan more powerful than Yoda. He was the strongest good guy when Yoda wasn't introduced
Um, because in no point was Obiwan stronger than Yoda, and when episode 4 came out, Yoda didn't exist as a character, so Obiwan was the strongest good guy at the time. So no, it doesn't include all the good guys that WEREN'T introduced.
I think DS is totally missing the point- Yoda is not depicted in the movie. He is not part of the "good guys" in ANH. He's somewhere in Dagobah growing fungi on his asscrack. The good guys in ANH include Luke, Chewbacca, Obi-Wan, Leia, Wedge, Biggs, random assorted rebels, and the droids.Hmmm.... let's see which one of those is the strongest? Oh, could it be the JEDI MASTER?
Im going to agree with darthsith19. Whatever GL says is correct even though it can contradict with whats going on. During the time of ANH Yoda was alive. So was Obi-Wan. GL says that Obi-Wan is the strongest good guy at the time of ANH. Which means that Obi-Wan is stronger than Yoda. Just because Yoda hasnt been introduced doesnt mean he doesnt exist.
Originally posted by tdtd
Why don't you two read up on this before making an invalid argument. Yoda wasn't created by the time ANH came around, so don't start making assumptions that he existed unless GL himself says he existed and Obiwan was stronger than him.
Yoda didn't exist in 2004? See, the thing is it's 2004, not 1977.
Originally posted by tdtd
Why don't you two read up on this before making an invalid argument. Yoda wasn't created by the time ANH came around, so don't start making assumptions that he existed unless GL himself says he existed and Obiwan was stronger than him.
What you dont understand is that Yoda did exist. Because he wasnt introduced is irrelevant. So according to your logic Sidious doesnt exist because he wasnt introduced in ANH. Its a load of crap. GL had a rough plan of all the SW movies in his head before he made them and he must have had Yoda included there somewhere. GL knew about Yoda and it was his choice to introduce him or not. He decided not to until ESB. The absence of him in ANH doesnt mean hes not alive.
Yes, tdtd. Lucas didn't make the comment in 1977, he made it in 2004, in which case I'm pretty sure that Yoda existed. lol...
Its in ANH, but it says Obi is the strongest. Had the comment been made in 1977 then Yoda being in ESB would override it, as Yoda would have indeed not been created.
But since the comment was made in 2004, which was 37 years after ANH was made, then GL comments refer to the whole OT, not just ANH.
AND the Sith HAVE to win this fight. If they could beat Sids and Vader then why didnt they just go do it?
The whole OT relies upon them not being able to beat the Sith themselves, and Luke was "the new hope"
Sids and Vader win.
Alright, silly plot devices aside...
I fail to see how this one idle statement of Lucas' means that Obi-Wan, who could not even begin to contest with Count Dooku or Darth Sidious, spent twenty years in the desert and suddenly became "stronger" than a 900 year old Jedi Master. That is, unless Lucas was being sly and commenting on -physical- strength. I'm quite sure that Yoda's weaker than Obi-Wan, size and all.