Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No he didn't say it back in 1977, thats what WE ARE saying. It was recorded and made in 2004, not 1977Movie = 1977
Commentary on movie = 2004get it?
Basically what I said before and you are exactly right. The commentary was made after we established Yoda as a character in ANH.
Oh come on, common sense again, guys!
GL has made it clear on multiple occasions that Yoda is the most powerful Light Side Force user.
The commentary is clearly referring to that point in the storyline- on the idea that ANH is the first film to be seen. It's a point about what the audeicne can see, not a commentary on wider continuity.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Alright, silly plot devices aside...I fail to see how this one idle statement of Lucas' means that Obi-Wan, who could not even begin to contest with Count Dooku or Darth Sidious, spent twenty years in the desert and suddenly became "stronger" than a 900 year old Jedi Master. That is, unless Lucas was being sly and commenting on -physical- strength. I'm quite sure that Yoda's weaker than Obi-Wan, size and all.
Well, no one know what Obi-Wan did on Tatioone or if he practiced or not. But point is GL said it so it's official.
Again, ANH is based on the original script, so you can't use the fact that you've seen the whole story to establish that Yoda did exist.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh come on, common sense again, guys!GL has made it clear on multiple occasions that Yoda is the most powerful Light Side Force user.
The commentary is clearly referring to that point in the storyline- on the idea that ANH is the first film to be seen. It's a point about what the audeicne can see, not a commentary on wider continuity.
Sorry Ush, but unless I missed something, you're not more official than GL. Obi-Wan, according to Lucas, is THE STRONGEST GOOD GUY. Yoda is a good guy, has been invented, but Obi-Wan is the strongest.
Wow, I didn't realize people were this deluded and anal.
Unless you can show exactly where GL compares and references Obi-Wan's power to Yoda's power IN this commentary, you can't make such a statement. You're interpreting the statement as ANH Obi-Wan > ANH Yoda. However, you're failing to realize that you don't know which good guys GL is talking about! Put it in context! If it's during a scene from ANH... and Yoda's not in ANH, chances are he's not including Yoda in that generalization. And that's what it is- a generalization.
So unless you can follow up on this and show us that it's an official stance that Obi-Wan > Yoda by ANH and lump in some in-universe sources to prove it, you have... NOTHING.
Now, stop being ridiculous.
You'd think with such a stagnant, small area of interest as EU (Which, this section has been around since last February, so most if not all of the characters have been covered) we wouldn't have reoccuring bouts of "OMfg teh yoda r not teh gud!!!11" and "zOMgss teh cideus pwns j00!!111"
I mean, seriously.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Wow, I didn't realize people were this deluded and anal.Unless you can show exactly where GL compares and references Obi-Wan's power to Yoda's power IN this commentary, you can't make such a statement. You're interpreting the statement as ANH Obi-Wan > ANH Yoda. However, you're failing to realize that you don't know which good guys GL is talking about! Put it in context! If it's during a scene from ANH... and Yoda's not in ANH, chances are he's not including Yoda in that generalization. And that's what it is- a generalization.
So unless you can follow up on this and show us that it's an official stance that Obi-Wan > Yoda by ANH and lump in some in-universe sources to prove it, you have... NOTHING.
Now, stop being ridiculous.
We arent being ridiculous because we are right. GL himself said that Obi-Wan is the strongest good guy at this point. What you are saying is that Yoda wasnt alive in ANH which is a load of bull. I dont want to beleive that Obi-Wan is stronger either but if GL says it it is true.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
We arent being ridiculous because we are right. GL himself said that Obi-Wan is the strongest good guy at this point. What you are saying is that Yoda wasnt alive in ANH which is a load of bull. I dont want to beleive that Obi-Wan is stronger either but if GL says it it is true.
What the **** are YOU talking about? I never said Yoda wasn't alive as of ANH. I said you guys are being a bunch of literal, anal fools and not putting the comment IN CONTEXT. I suggest you look that up before you keep running at the mouth.
Now, before you go skimming this post and playing Noob Cowboy, I suggest you ask yourself these questions:
1. What was the scene in question during the commentary?
2. Did GL specifically say "all the good guys including the ones not in this movie?"
3. Don't you think it's ridiculous that Obi-Wan would suddenly be stronger than Jedi Master Yoda, who he clearly cites as his superior both in the OT and the PT, from sitting out in the desert?
In short, don't be assinine- Obi-Wan is NOT better than Yoda.