Vodo-Siosk Bass vs. OT Darth Vader

Started by kingkman5 pages

Speak English you ******. Anyway vader was very impressive with the force. He is the only person in the movies who ever used telekenesis in an offensive form without the need of his hands to guide him.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
Hey the Dark Woman was cool... she's my favorite female Jedi.

Didn't realize she was not canon though.

I think she is canon. I remember reading about her in one of the Essential Guides. No info on her though, they just mentioned her name in passing.

Please don't bash people kingkman.

Mech.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I think she is canon. I remember reading about her in one of the Essential Guides. No info on her though, they just mentioned her name in passing.

Yeah, she is mentioned as being the mentor of a few jedi, like Ki-Adi-Mundi if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I think she is canon. I remember reading about her in one of the Essential Guides. No info on her though, they just mentioned her name in passing.

She appears in the "Republic" Comics namely the collections "Vow of Justice" (Republic comics 4-6), "Outlander" (Republic comics 7-12), "Emissaries to Malastare" (Republic comics 13-18) and "The Hunt for Aurra Sing" (Republic comics 28-31) as well as in "Jedi: Aayla Secura" and the "Jedi Starfighter" game. So I'd say she is (C)-canon.

And by the way: Despite the fact that her duel happened in the Star Wars Tales #2 which is considered to be an Infinity - it doesn't contradict any other source (normally infinities tell alternate stories of canon sources like the films). So it is possible that she was killed by Vader in the way it is shown in "Extinction". Those stories are just labelled Infinities because their isn't reference in source of higher level of canon (such as books / normal comics / movies) or they are contradicting ideas behind the films partially (like Vaders duel agains Maul). This isn't the case for "Extinction".

Not that it matters - Vodo tools Vader.

Ok, IKC, for the last time: Prove that
A. Odan was using the same technique. Shut up about fallacies and find me something.
B. PRove to me 'reaching into the light' means 'blocking technique'
C. Prove to me Vader would give Vodo a chance to stop fighting when we've seen how Vodo uses that blocking technique in mano a mano fights.

And for the record: The Dark Woman story is canonical. It was confirmed in the Character guide. As for the Ressurection story, it's been alluded to in places and it's not completely non-canon. It was mentioned Vader faced prophets of the darkside on said world in the Dark Forces saga, and it was also mentioned in Insider.

Do you realise that him pointing out fallacies in your posts is a valid thing? Arguments are based upon the proper application of logic, and anything which is logically fallacious is usually just moronic...

Originally posted by Traya
Do you realise that him pointing out fallacies in your posts is a valid thing? Arguments are based upon the proper application of logic, and anything which is logically fallacious is usually just moronic...

Indeed, logical fallacy is the way of the fanboy, applying one-sided logic and ridiculous conclusions to false premises. If you went into a moderated debate and you used logical fallacies, it's over. Done. Period. Stick a fork in it.

I fail to see why anyone will want to even bother explaining it to you if the laws of logic and reasoning don't apply for you.

I remember my moderated debates in high school. My teacher had this evil voice when he's say "tu quoque", which frankly, happened a lot.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I remember my moderated debates in high school. My teacher had this evil voice when he's say "tu quoque", which frankly, happened a lot.

You had debates in High School?

HA!

If that were to happen in my school everyone would die in shock.

I had some horrid ones. One time, I had to roleplay as Harry Truman defending the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was class versus class, only my class didn't do any research. I basically had to defend myself for a day long mock trial.

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Did I mention I hadn't studied either?

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I had some horrid ones. One time, I had to roleplay as Harry Truman defending the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was class versus class, only my class didn't do any research. I basically had to defend myself for a day long mock trial.

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Did I mention I hadn't studied either?

Lol...

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I had some horrid ones. One time, I had to roleplay as Harry Truman defending the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was class versus class, only my class didn't do any research. I basically had to defend myself for a day long mock trial.

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Did I mention I hadn't studied either?

Thats funny. I debated the exact same thing in my high school history class 3 months ago.

If you had Mr. Forslorn, that would explain it.

What's irritating me is his continuous sayings of 'logical fallacy' in place of proof when I ask him to prove his claims beyond 'as he tried to teach Nomi Sunrider'. It's equally annoying when you ask someone to prove the reverse...I can easily prove Vader didn't beat Obi-wan in ROTS, or Vodo Siosk-Baas didn't stop Exar Kun.

And Janus, I know frightening...I've seen people role playing as DBZ characters debating about World War 2

Originally posted by Lightsnake
What's irritating me is his continuous sayings of 'logical fallacy' in place of proof when I ask him to prove his claims beyond 'as he tried to teach Nomi Sunrider'. It's equally annoying when you ask someone to prove the reverse...I can easily prove Vader didn't beat Obi-wan in ROTS, or Vodo Siosk-Baas didn't stop Exar Kun.

Well, to his credit, a lot of his points have been established and you simply saying otherwise is a demonstration of fallacy, based on the evidence provided. I don't want to get into specifics (Mainly because I don't want to page back to find info) but he's already set up his argument.


And Janus, I know frightening...I've seen people role playing as DBZ characters debating about World War 2

Those people should be stoned to death and left in the fields for birds.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
What's irritating me is his continuous sayings of 'logical fallacy' in place of proof when I ask him to prove his claims beyond 'as he tried to teach Nomi Sunrider'. It's equally annoying when you ask someone to prove the reverse...I can easily prove Vader didn't beat Obi-wan in ROTS, or Vodo Siosk-Baas didn't stop Exar Kun.

And Janus, I know frightening...I've seen people role playing as DBZ characters debating about World War 2

Really Lightsnake. IKC did post the pictures so often that meanwhile you should have casually seen them and noticed what is depicted, even when trying to ignore them completely...

Nai, I asked him time and time again to prove Odan was attempting to block Exar from the force. When he'd been teaching her about the light side for who knows how long, 'reaches into the light' does not mean 'tries to block Exar Kun from the force'

I saw Kun thrown back after being attacked, which is noticeably different to what occurs both times any blocking is used

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nai, I asked him time and time again to prove Odan was attempting to block Exar from the force. When he'd been teaching her about the light side for who knows how long, 'reaches into the light' does not mean 'tries to block Exar Kun from the force'

I saw Kun thrown back after being attacked, which is noticeably different to what occurs both times any blocking is used

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You know, I only saw that scan yesterday and based on what was said in the narration, I saw how it was the same attack. For all we know, he used the block attack on Kun and then used a force push to send him flying. But either way, it seems pretty evident that he used or attempted the same attack.

Why would a Jedi master toss back a guy who he believes he just blinded from the force and why would Kun just let that happen? Once again: What Odan did as we see: He moves his hand forward and Kun is tossed back. When Vodo and Nomi use it, the effects are very different. And once again, Odan had been training Nomi for a bit and he'd only just told her about that technique