Vodo-Siosk Bass vs. OT Darth Vader

Originally posted by IKC
Well, it appears you haven't found a thought yet.

I suppose I'll just recap everything so even vacant skulls can see it:

As we see in the previous three scans from narration and dialogue, Odan-Urr is teaching Nomi Sunrider how to block people from the Force - a technique she'll eventually use on Ulic Qel-Droma in permanent form.

We also see that such an attack, even though it apparently was effective against the Ancient Sith, did precisely zilch to Kun other than push him back, to which Kun responds by killing Odan.

As we see in this scan, Vodo knows the very technique in question.

Because correlation is not causation

and

because Nomi could perform it by herself

and

Odan could perform it by himself

and

Vodo is stated by the omniscient narrator to know how to use said technique,

then

Vodo can use said technique by himself.

Your subjective observations as to the appearance and apparent effects of said attacks are irrelevant and do not override this narrative evidence.

Your objections that Vodo happened to perform the technique on Ulic with the help of other Jedi are based on a logical fallacy because you can only show correlation and not causation.

Your assertion that Vodo cannot perform the technique by himself is unfounded: Nomi, a subordinate of his in rank and power, was able to do so just fine.

Conclusion: Vodo can and will use this technique to strip the Force from Darth Vader and will win this fight.

QED.

I think he covered it here.

So, because Odan knows it and was teaching it to someone means he was using it there as a first resort when he'd just rambled on at length about how terrible it was to block someone from the force?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why would a Jedi master toss back a guy who he believes he just blinded from the force and why would Kun just let that happen? Once again: What Odan did as we see: He moves his hand forward and Kun is tossed back. When Vodo and Nomi use it, the effects are very different. And once again, Odan had been training Nomi for a bit and he'd only just told her about that technique

You have to consider that Kun resisted the attack and probably he was thrown back instead off suffering from getting seperated from the force. I don't see Odan force pushing Exar around when Exar apparently has the greater force TK abilities (which he shows by force choking Odan to death just seconds later).

And Odan is using the same thing that he tried to teach Nomi a few panels before which is the ability to cut people's force connection off.

I don't even see this ability matter in this fight. Vodo - at the very least - is on Yoda's skill level and judging from that alone he would destroy Vader - no matter if he can cut Vader's force connection or not.

Originally posted by Borbarad
You have to consider that Kun resisted the attack and probably he was thrown back instead off suffering from getting seperated from the force. I don't see Odan force pushing Exar around when Exar apparently has the greater force TK abilities (which he shows by force choking Odan to death just seconds later).

And Odan is using the same thing that he tried to teach Nomi a few panels before which is the ability to cut people's force connection off.

I don't even see this ability matter in this fight. Vodo - at the very least - is on Yoda's skill level and judging from that alone he would destroy Vader - no matter if he can cut Vader's force connection or not.

We saw Raynar Thul force push Luke once...Luke is undeniably the greater Force user.
Once more: Odan had just told her about the technique moments ago and was teaching her before that. 'Reaching into the light' does not mean 'blocks from the force'....especially when Odan had just told Nomi about how terrible this was to even a dark jedi, he'd really use this as a first resort? And the attacks has never shown any impact. We saw Ulic frozen in place with the temporary one and turn around screaming in shock as he was blocked...and ODan is yelling 'away' at Exar when he's tossed across the room, that seems a bit more appropriate with a force push rather than blocking.

PRoblem with Vodo's skill level: He has practically no way to damage Vader.

Lightsnake, just look at the narrative text at the top:

"He reaches deep into the light drawing on the bright power - as he tried to teach Nomi Sunrider."

Now, let's flip back two pages:

What's this? Is Odan teaching Nomi the blocking technique? Yes, he is.

Damn, double posted. Sorry.

Once again: He'd been teaching her before that. If you flip back a few pages it says Nomi is continuing her training with Odan

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Once again: He'd been teaching her before that. If you flip back a few pages it says Nomi is continuing her training with Odan

Right. Odan used battle meditation on Kun, because it says "In the vast Jedi Library on Ossus, Nomi Sunrider continues her training in Jedi battle meditation." Other than that, I don't see what else he tried to teach Nomi besides blocking someone off from the Force, and it certainly doesn't imply he was teaching her otherwise.

So, Lightsnake, why the hell would he use battle meditation on Kun? Answer: He wouldn't. Therefore, he was using the blocking technique.

lol

Hm, says in the chronology she was training the force period...that is something, though, Motoko

That's why a chronology isn't a better source than the source material.

Which announces the Sith Empire as one hundred thousand years old, has Nomi having been staying on Ossus for some time with Odan and the like...which also tries to present Satal Keto as a threat of any significance whatsoever.
And I meant the original chronology

What the **** is this? Darth Vader would get his ass kicked by just looking at Vodo.