ufc/pride

Originally posted by Mindset
Who has Jake fought with ko power like Hendo? I was just using Wand and Bisping, there's many others I could use as well.

Hendo's fight with Jake is his worst performance I can remember. Jake is good, but so is everyone else Hendo has faced.

Wand was sick that fight night, but that's not taking anything away from Hendo, and Bisping didn't listen to his corner, kept moving towards Hendo's power side, so that KO was inevitable.

I would love to see Shields vs Palhares. That would be a grappling clinic.

UFC 122 Free on Spike!

I have to say that I am very surprised noone here is talking about the Rampage/Machida fight tonight.

Or Hughes/Penn for that matter.

Tonight's card is stacked with great fights, even some that I'm looking forward to more than the main event, especially Sotiropolous/Lauzon and Harris/Falcao.

Can't wait.

Yep. How does everyone see some of the fights going?

I gotta go with Machida over Rampage; however, this will be interesting and I always wanted to see these two fight. Rampage only needs one punch to really **** up someone's day.

I want Penn to win, despite the fact that he's so arrogant sometimes. I keep hoping that someday he'll wake up and be the outright LEGEND we know he can be.

Not sure who to call on Sotiropolous/Lauzon.

Lulzable decision for the Rampage/Machida fight.

Even more so for BJ beating Hughes in 21 seconds.

I dont think Peoples was there to give Machida the win.

Another useless decision in a UFC main event. What a surprise. Machida landed more significant strikes in round 1 and round 2 as well, tho i guess you could give rampage the round for his takedown even tho he did no damage whatsoever. Round 3 machida again won that one clearly. smh

I don't know guys. A split decision isn't that farfetched for the Machida/Rampage fight. I think the judges valued Rampage's "octagon control" more.

Also, LOL at Hughes.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I don't know guys. A split decision isn't that farfetched for the Machida/Rampage fight.

🙂

Old school Rampage would have stomped Machida. I also love when Machia fanboys cry. Machida lost the first time to Rua. But yet thats ok when Machida still won. But Rampage just barely won and nope that cannot happen, its BS.

It was a very tough call.It's just one of those fights that the outcome depended on what the judges awarded points for.
I wouldn't mind a rematch but I'm in no hurry to see it.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Old school Rampage would have stomped Machida. I also love when Machia fanboys cry. Machida lost the first time to Rua. But yet thats ok when Machida still won. But Rampage just barely won and nope that cannot happen, its BS.

lolwut?

Originally posted by The Nuul
Old school Rampage would have stomped Machida. I also love when Machia fanboys cry. Machida lost the first time to Rua. But yet thats ok when Machida still won. But Rampage just barely won and nope that cannot happen, its BS.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
It was a very tough call.It's just one of those fights that the outcome depended on what the judges awarded points for.
I wouldn't mind a rematch but I'm in no hurry to see it.

Fightmetric scores the fight for Machida...easily, but Rampage displayed much more aggression and was cutting off angles very well.

Close fight, I personally thought there was no clear winner.

^True on the aggression point but simple aggression shouldnt win u a fight. Effectiveness of strikes, takedowns etc is what should get u a fight. Moreover, this is also a testament to the ineffectiveness of the ten point scoring system per round especially in 3 round battles like this. Under pride rules machida would have won that fight clearly since by far the most significant attacks in the fight were landed by him in the third round.

Under Pride rules there are different length rounds and yellow cards, we can't pick out one specific thing that would allow Machida to win, there are more variables involved.

Originally posted by Mindset
Under Pride rules there are different length rounds and yellow cards, we can't pick out one specific thing that would allow Machida to win, there are more variables involved.

True, but i was referring to the scoring system since its the scoring of this fight which is in question. The pride socring system would still be able to operate effectively independant from its other rules and especially in 3 round fights would provide a much better method of determining the winners of the fight. Though regardless of the scoring system used Machida should have won since he had more significant attacks in round 1 and especially in round 3.

Originally posted by Naija boy
^True on the aggression point but simple aggression shouldnt win u a fight. Effectiveness of strikes, takedowns etc is what should get u a fight. Moreover, this is also a testament to the ineffectiveness of the ten point scoring system per round especially in 3 round battles like this. Under pride rules machida would have won that fight clearly since by far the most significant attacks in the fight were landed by him in the third round.

In theory under Pride rules Machida would have won but even the Pride judging had it's "wtf" moments. Like Bustamante verse Rampage.
But Ludwig verse Osipczak was one UFC fight that did seem to go almost more toward pride type scoring. One could have easily given Osipczak rounds 1 and 2 but Ludwig round 3. Yet Ludwig won the fight.

I think regardless of how the scoring goes it's always going to be brought into question because so much of it is still very subjective. The only ways I think the fans and the sport in general can deal with is

1.Keep it the same.
2. give definitive descriptions for what out points what.

But with number 2 you then bring in to question what score's more points; top control or sub attempts from the bottom,etc,etc,etc.

I, like you would like to see the 10 must go out the window though.
It's more of a limitation on the point representation of a fight than anything.