ROTJ Luke vs ANH Ben

rotj luke would probably win in a saber duel, ben hasnt dueled or sparred since he came to tatooine, being seen with a saber would be enough to cost him his life and possibly give up lukes position. in anh i think the only reason he brought it out was because he and luke were leaving and he knew the imperials wouldnt be able to track them.

force duel im not sure. luke is supposed to have the potential anakin would have had he not been confined to the suit. so although he wouldnt have achieved it he was still very powerful. plus he used some dark side attacks obi wan wouldnt have. 50/50 i think.

last one i think luke would win. he never seemed to be in too much danger when he was fighting vader in rotj, and in the end drove vader back and bullied him to the ground before disrming him. luke 80% of the time.

Granted, Obi-Wan hasn't been fighting off sith marauders for the last twenty years, but I doubt he's so damn feeble that ROTJ Luke can take him. Don't be daft, kid.

rotj luke manhandled vader at the end of their fight, during the entire thing luke never seemed to be pushed to a limit or forced back. obi wan vs vader in anh they were about equal, so the way luke handled vader in rotj leads me to think he could do fairly similar to obi wan, especially considering obi wans lack of recent experience.

... No, you don't know what you're talking about.

any evidence to support obi wan winning?

People would say that his experience alone would win him the fight. Because he has been training in the Jedi Temple practically his whole life. Now, that may seem like an advantage, but it limits the use of emotions in a duel. Luke has lived a normal life and knows how to hate. When Luke uses his anger while fighting, he is deadly. If he gave into the darkside and fought Obi Wan in a saber duel on a neutral setting, I'm confident Luke could win.
Now Luke hasn't had much experience in force training, and his potential alone wouldn't win him the fight. Notice how Obi Wan stalemated another full-potential Skywalker when he was less experienced. Obi Wan beats Luke in the force.
A full out fight depends on the scenario, setting, and distance between the two.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
People would say that his experience alone would win him the fight. Because he has been training in the Jedi Temple practically his whole life. Now, that may seem like an advantage, but it limits the use of emotions in a duel. Luke has lived a normal life and knows how to hate. When Luke uses his anger while fighting, he is deadly. If he gave into the darkside and fought Obi Wan in a saber duel on a neutral setting, I'm confident Luke could win.
Now Luke hasn't had much experience in force training, and his potential alone wouldn't win him the fight. Notice how Obi Wan stalemated another full-potential Skywalker when he was less experienced. Obi Wan beats Luke in the force.
A full out fight depends on the scenario, setting, and distance between the two.

So your telling me Obi-wan doesn't know how to hate? Aside from the fact that it has little if anything to do with the fight, claiming that Obi-wan doesn't no how to hate is bullshit.

He is a freakin human being... hate comes natural to any member of the human race.

Originally posted by Decay
any evidence to support obi wan winning?

Obi-Wan has extensive training, and isn't an idiot.

Luke wasn't stupid in ROTJ.

But he still gets destroyed by Ben.

Ben has dozens of years of Jedi training, was the Republic hero in one of the biggest wars ever, known as one of the best swordsmen in the Order (third to Mace and Yoda... not counting Anakin), destroyed General Grievous (Someone who pwned Jedi Masters who were greater than Luke)...

He spent some of his time hunting down Krayt Dragons and freeing Jedi. And he also fought Darth Maul again.

Originally posted by Razielim
Luke wasn't stupid in ROTJ.

But he still gets destroyed by Ben.

Ben has dozens of years of Jedi training, was the Republic hero in one of the biggest wars ever, known as one of the best swordsmen in the Order (third to Mace and Yoda... not counting Anakin), destroyed General Grievous (Someone who pwned Jedi Masters who were greater than Luke)...

He spent some of his time hunting down Krayt Dragons and freeing Jedi. And he also fought Darth Maul again.

Fought Darth Maul again? What is this? Infinities Happy Hour?

Maybe it was, I didn't check.

Half of Maul was robotic...

Doublecheck that. I think the first 21 or so Infinities comics are noncanon. Could be more though.

ben does have heaps of training, and hes still good with a saber, but its likley he hasnt picked it up in 2 decades. he has more overall experience, but luke has more immediate experience. more immediate intensive training, youth, and yoda as a teacher.

experience alone isnt enough to win a fight, and thats all old ben has. can someone put foward some real evidence indicating ben would win. im not a luke fanboy and i have no problem with ben winning, i just havent seen anything to indicate he would.

the maul fight was in the visionaries comic if i recall correctly. it was a pretty cool story, but contradicts direct canon (lucas says maul died on naboo). ben won that with a neat trick too, not superior saber skills. if he managed to trick luke in the same way he could win, luke is inexperienced overall and a bit emotional for a jedi so he might take the bait. thats the only way i can see ben winning. actually, thinking about it like that he has a decent chance after all.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
People would say that his experience alone would win him the fight. Because he has been training in the Jedi Temple practically his whole life. Now, that may seem like an advantage, but it limits the use of emotions in a duel. Luke has lived a normal life and knows how to hate. When Luke uses his anger while fighting, he is deadly. If he gave into the darkside and fought Obi Wan in a saber duel on a neutral setting, I'm confident Luke could win.
Now Luke hasn't had much experience in force training, and his potential alone wouldn't win him the fight. Notice how Obi Wan stalemated another full-potential Skywalker when he was less experienced. Obi Wan beats Luke in the force.
A full out fight depends on the scenario, setting, and distance between the two.

But before that he isn't half bad.

Ben would still win.

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
No, when Luke uses anger he turns into Stevie Wonder at batting practice.

In the movies, visually judging lightsaber skills, your average PT Jedi sucks way worse than Luke. In the Geonosis arena , and the brief clips we see in the Jedi Temple, they get mowed down easy.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
In the movies, visually judging lightsaber skills, your average PT Jedi sucks way worse than Luke. In the Geonosis arena , and the brief clips we see in the Jedi Temple, they get mowed down easy.

I can't believe you actually said that. 😆

No, I'm not saying that ROTJ Luke>>> all, I wanted to clear that up before people go nuclear on me. I'm just saying that he does better on screen than your average PT Jedi Knight/Padawan doing.That's all, it was because someone said Luke looks like (bad analogy here), when PT Jedi look worse.