ROTJ Luke vs ANH Ben

Correct, and after how many debates? And after how many prompts for you to shut up and actually prove something?

Again your idiot i said i MISINTERPRETED IT meaning it was NOT the claim i was trying to make in the first place, why are you so persistant of wanting to look so stupid infront of everybody?

Again you dumbfcuk why are you so stupid? Why the hell can't you accept that i stated i misinterpreted what i was trying to say? Which would also mean that that was NOT the claim i was trying to make in the first place?

In my own words: You ARE that stupid.

Hey, says the hypocrite who hurls back lame ass insults such as "Your gay!".

Ok fine, but how exactly does that discredit the fact that vader didn't want to engage ben in a force fight but both of them CHOSE to engage in a saber duel without the aid of force attacks? You have yet to say anything DS.

And that's the entire point I was trying to make in my initial post after this thread got bumped.

Thinking about it it does not really matter now doesn't it?

LOL because he was caught off guard? Because he was caught by surprise? Considering the fact that his actions was rambling at luke about how luke couldnt stop him?

Wrong, sidious was going to kill luke in their final duel on the eclipse.

Can you read? I said:

Originally posted by darthsith19 But whatever we are not discussing Luke and Sidious's first duel anymore, because Sidious didn't want to kill Luke, right?

I was talking about the first duel, not the second duel.

misinterpreted it also meant that i stated it wrongly you idiot.

Quickly and instantly are a world of difference darth shit, my original claim was force grip or choke can instantly kill a victim, not i conceded that and changed it to "quickly" which is very capable of.

Oh and force crush CAN quickly kill opponents, seeing that it may be possible that the attack vader exerted on those creatures could be force crush which they died instantly or the fact that vader applied force crush and instantly crushed a head inside a chest.

Then maybe you should have shut up and erased it.

Go ahead and argue somemore darth sith, i'd love to engage in a debate with you, EXPECIALLY broken records. Go ahead, reply, i'm not ready to give up.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Again, make the thread whenever you want to. You said something, then tried to say you didn't say it. Misinterpretation or not, you [b]did say it, which makes you the foolish one (not for misinterpreting it, that is just an understandable mistake, but denying ever saying it when you did is dumb). If I said "You're a dumb f*ck." and later said "I misinterpreted it." it wouldn't mean that I never said it.[/B]

Did i say that? Anyways i misinterpreted it, i was trying to say that vader was confident that he can beat ben this time in a saber duel because he has improved on his saber skills since the time he lost.

^ THAT was what i wanted to put in by it turned out that i put in something like this:

Or maybe you forgot that vader was confident enough to beat obiwan in a saber duel seeing that he lost the last time.

The whole reason of Did i say that? was because i didn't intend to type it out that way hence why i looked back and found out that i misinterpreted it, THAT was the only time i denied it pal which then i typed out "I misinterpreted it NEXT to the "Did i say that".

Now, would you kindly shut the hell up or would you like to argue on about this meaningless matter? I'm VERY sure because of your level of intelligence and negative IQ you are going to chose to argue on and on.

The whole reason i'm arguing about this is because you just cannot and will not accept the fact that i made a mistake and i ADMITTED it with the "I misinterpreted it" hence the need for you to constantly attempt to pressurise me and make yourself look EXTREMELY stupid in the process JUST because you won't accept the fact that i misinterpreted something.

Originally posted by darthsith19

SO now that's [b]TWO things that you misinterpreted, at this rate you will have misinterpreted your entire argument by the end of the week, and somehow I'm the stupid one?[/B]

Originally posted by darthsith19

Wow dude, is your entire post going to be insults? Is that the level you stoop to when someone bests you in a debate?

Oh, and as far as insults go, you post about 4 times as many as I do. If you had only posted a couple insults it wouldn't have even been worth mentioning, but since about 1 out of 3 of your "rebuttals" includes an insult, it really drags down your appearance and makes you look dumb. And that's not an insult, it's the truth.
[/B][/QUOTE] And the truth is that you are stupid beyond belief friend. The ONLY reason you keep arguing is because you CANNOT accept the fact that your EGO has been hurt so many times everytime you type something in these forums.

But again DS, how does stating the facts that you ARE an idiot equate to an insult? How does stating a fact make me look dumb?

Originally posted by darthsith19

It doesn't discredit it. Do you remember even remember what we initially started debating about? If you do, you just proved my point.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Vader didn't want to engage ben in a force fight but chose to engage him in a saber duel, which proves my initial point; that Vader thought his chances would be better with a saber than with the Force.

HOW does that prove your point darth sith? How does the fact that vader MAY have wanted to engage ben in a saber duel instead of a force duel? How does that equate to vader being unable to harm ANH ben when the fact remains that he has choked a jedi and dueled 2 others at the same time?

How does that prove your point DS?

I also think it is painfully obvious that vader had a greater chance of using the force to beat maul rather than engage him in a saber duel yet he STILL chose to fight maul in a duel?

It is also painfully obvious that despite dooku's strength in the force, he could have easily tooled both anakin and obiwan with the force but STILL chose to engage him in a duel?

How about the possibilities that vader THOUGHT that he had a better chance in a saber duel when the fact remains that he could do much better with the force seeing that he was able to crush entire medical rooms, rip out an entire bridge and use the parts as missles or being able to choke xizor millions of lightyears away in the bounty hunter wars?

Originally posted by darthsith19

That was my initial point, and if Vader thought he would have a better chance with the Force, he would have used it. It is human nature to get things done the easiest way possible. This shows us how good ANH Kenobi's Force Powers are and shows that he would beat ROTJ Luke in a Force or all-out fight, which is what this thread is really about, in case you forgot.

Originally posted by darthsith19

And that's the entire point I was trying to make in my initial post after this thread got bumped.

Originally posted by darthsith19

WTF kind of rebuttal is that? If you don't have to say to something I posted, don't quote it.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Like I said "That's possible."

Originally posted by darthsith19

Can you read? I said:

I was talking about the first duel, not the second duel.

Originally posted by darthsith19

You still said it. Again, if I called you a f*cking moron, and then later said that misinterpreted it, it wouldn't mean that I never called you a f*cking moron, would it.

My situation on the other hand was already clearly explained in the first post which you are either too stupid or too incompetent to even bother to read.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Alright, how quickly is quickly? Are we talking 5 seconds, 30 seconds...?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Yes, Force Crush can quickly kill opponents, I agree and I never stated otherwise.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Nah, I already typed it out, might as well leave it there so that you have to go through it all.

Originally posted by darthsith19

What? You are calling me a broken record, yet you also say that you'd love to debate with me. So, you enjoy debating with broken records? lol. Keep 'em coming, then.

I'm STILL waiting for my response in the other post.

Why is this even a debate? ANH Ben owns the shit out of Luke.