Originally posted by NineCoronas
Does mine?
although it was not you, i guess it counts since he is immediate family.
doesnt mean i find your bitterness justified. just understandable.
what i mean is that you have a reason to be irrationally bitter.
action>>>reaction
not a valid reason imho, since it could very well have been a citizen (as most criminals are) but still you were personally effected.
my point is that most if not all here who are bitching have no reason to be angry.
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
I've had friends here who asked for higher wages to do farm work and instead lost their jobs to illegals. Farm work is hard work. The farm owner paid 5 bucks an hour to his illegal immigrant workers. He'd only hire illegals and teenagers who thought 5 bucks an hour was a lot of money. One of my best friends had worked their for 2 years for 5 bucks an hour part time, since he knew the owners son through school. Him and his friends went to the owner to ask for raises. They wanted 5.25 an hour. Note that my friend is Latino and who was born here in the United States who's parents [B]LEGALLY immigrated to the United States. The farm owner flat out denied them. Quoting the owner from what my friend said he told him: My friend was pi$$ed. He told me about it. And I rectified the situation by contacting INS on his behalf. Apparently the farm owner was an illegal immigrant himself and when the INS raided his farm this year in March, it put a smile on my face. They deported him! And rounded up nearly 15 illegal immigrant workers. His sons were born here so their practically US Citizens already, so they got to stay and take over the farm while their dad has a 5 year ban from reentering into this country. 🙂My friends were hurt does that count?
Yes my parents became citizens by following the legal process. Not stepping on it like 12 million people have done. My parents are angry and disappointed that all these people can come here and bypass America's laws and be rewarded with amnesty and free citizenship. They are very old now and can't join in on the protests. I speak for them. [/B]
Wow your friend had his heart severely crushed. He had his entire future ahead of him by picking fruits and vegetables, Im also sure he was a teenager with abosolutely no skills, no education.
You said you were from the philipines, I bet if a boat full of people from there came to the US ILLEGALLY you would allow them to stay.
I have stated facts and figure and so has PVS yet you still keep claiming immigrants have hurt you or have ruined the US. Please stop talking out of your ass and bring actually debating material to this topic. Your sinking quick my friend.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Just to see both sides here, how do people answer the charge that tolerating illegal immigration is unfair on those who try and play by the rules?Because that strikes me as a very valid problem.
It is a very valid problem. Why should they get a free ride while others waiting in the system have to wait? If we legalize these 12 million immigrants, how long will other immigrants who are trying to get into this country legally have to wait?
If were going to legalize immigrants, it might as well be those trying to get into this country LEGALLY... Not the 12 million immigrants who are here ILLEGALLY
We should reward those who follow the law, not those who break it.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Just to see both sides here, how do people answer the charge that tolerating illegal immigration is unfair on those who try and play by the rules?Because that strikes me as a very valid problem.
they are not legal citizens. dispite all the supposed perks of being an illegal they really have no inaliable rights here. at any point in time they can be rounded up and deported. so they dont pay taxes on the $2 an hour they make...so they can possibly get free health care after a ton of bricks fall on them at a construction site where a wealthy white contractor hired them...oh wait...im beginning again to attack the source of the problem and not the symptom. dont want to drag it off topic
Originally posted by El_NINO
Wow your friend had his heart severely crushed. He had his entire future ahead of him by picking fruits and vegetables, Im also sure he was a teenager with abosolutely no skills, no education.You said you were from the philipines, I bet if a boat full of people from there came to the US [B]ILLEGALLY
you would allow them to stay.I have stated facts and figure and so has PVS yet you still keep claiming immigrants have hurt you or have ruined the US. Please stop talking out of your ass and bring actually debating material to this topic. Your sinking quick my friend. [/B]
My parents flew to Honolulu with their proper paperwork. On a boat? Pfftt...
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
It is a very valid problem. Why should they get a free ride while others waiting in the system have to wait? If we legalize these 12 million immigrants, how long will other immigrants who are trying to get into this country legally have to wait?If were going to legalize immigrants, it might as well be those trying to get into this country [B]LEGALLY...
Not the 12 million immigrants who are here ILLEGALLYWe should reward those who follow the law, not those who break it. [/B]
here, just copy and paste this:
ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!
hope that helps 🙄
Originally posted by PVS
they are not legal citizens. dispite all the supposed perks of being an illegal they really have no inaliable rights here. at any point in time they can be rounded up and deported. so they dont pay taxes on the $2 an hour they make...so they can possibly get free health care after a ton of bricks fall on them at a construction site where a wealthy white contractor hired them...oh wait...im beginning again to attack the source of the problem and not the symptom. dont want to drag it off topic
The problem is the employers that want cheap slave labor.
What happened to my idea about land mines? Don't tell me it was too good of an idea for anyone to counterattack...(or either too bad to bother).
PVS, I apologize for not picking up on the Dr. Evil thing right away. I know it's upset you, but I haven't see Austin Powers in a while. Now if you were quoting Hellraiser or something like that, I'd be right on it.
Originally posted by PVS
they are not legal citizens. dispite all the supposed perks of being an illegal they really have no inaliable rights here. at any point in time they can be rounded up and deported. so they dont pay taxes on the $2 an hour they make...so they can possibly get free health care after a ton of bricks fall on them at a construction site where a wealthy white contractor hired them...oh wait...im beginning again to attack the source of the problem and not the symptom. dont want to drag it off topic
LOL yeah cuz right down the road there is a gentleman in a company I won't disclose pays 10$ an hour to illegals and if you go to the emergency room you don't need to be in there from your colorful example, it could even just be a sprained wrist and tada free treatment.