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Originally posted by Smasandian
Ah man.

Your point is still not valid. It's not comparable to the situation with Brady. He got hurt, like everybody else in this league. He had the best season of his career.

He has nothing to prove. It's his job. If you want to argue that he should have to work for his QB job, that's ****ing obvious. Every year, the team looks at positions and if somebody is better than him, then he will get the job.

But the point is that Brady is much better than Cassell. It's his job to lose and not win back.

Favre on the other hand, left the team, and then decided to come back, and then left again. They already had another QB and instead of going with the Favre freakshow, they decided they didn't want him back. BUT, Favre would of kept the starting position if he didn't retire.

So in the end, Favre wasn't even on the team, while Brady is. If Brady did the same thing, then maybe we can talk about it, but he didn't. He is still the best QB on that team and doesn't have to prove anything.

If you want argue if he has to work during training camp, then fine you win because its pretty ****ing obvious that any year, a player has to show he can still play during the offseason.

But if two games against the Jets, and Dolphins (we shouldn't include the first 9-10 games where he was adequate, or the fact Brady has played extremely well for 6 years) is any indication that Cassell is better than Brady, then **** it, screw him, get rid of him. Trade him to the Lions and go with Cassell.

This shouldn't even be a discussion at all. Why don't we have this conversation about Manning, he had 2 knee operations a month before the season started. Where was all the talk about Sorgi? He played the past 3 season where he played the last 40 minutes in the last game.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What would you be more comfy with if you were a GM? A QB coming out of retirement who is still in great shape, or a QB coming off a trashed knee?

Brady has to show and prove even more because his KNEE was trashed, man.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Freakshow? WTF are you talking about? the way he pitched a fit when they didn't just give him back the job? If what you say is true, that when you have a QB of Brady's caliber who can just come back and claim the starting job because he is a superior and who has PROVEN himself as a QB, then Rodgers over Favre? Come on, if Favre was playing in GB this season, they would be WAY better than 5-5. Look at him with the Jets, he has led them to an 8-3 record, beating the piss outta the Titans.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Trashed would imply a Culpepper injury, which it is not as severe. Since it is a career threatening injury, and Brady does not rely on athleticism to play football, he'll be alright.

Hardly. The problem has been injuries and a lackof running game, which neither would be remedied by Favre.

Your kinda of proving my point with your stance on Favre.

You say Favre would of made that team better if he stayed. Older guy being better than the newer guy.

Wouldnt that be the same as Brady? (can we also get away from the whole idea of he will suck now because of knee injury?)

Originally posted by Smasandian
Your kinda of proving my point with your stance on Favre.

You say Favre would of made that team better if he stayed. Older guy being better than the newer guy.

Wouldnt that be the same as Brady? (can we also get away from the whole idea of he will suck now because of knee injury?)

Get away from the fact that Brady has an injured knee? I'd like to see that. I didn't know you could like alter reality and stuff.

If Brady did the same as Favre did, had retired and wanted to come back, AND was 100% healthy, that'd be different.

Didn't Favre and Brady get their starting jobs in GB and NE the same way?

" Get away from the fact that Brady has an injured knee? I'd like to see that. I didn't know you could like alter reality and stuff."

What the **** are you talking about?

I dont know how Favre got the job, but with Brady, Bledsoe at the time was not Brady. He was an good QB, but nothing really special. Brady on the other hand is one of the best QB's in the game, and could be considered one of the best out there. Big difference.

I misread your post, I thought you were saying let's just forget about the knee injury period, my bad.

OK Brady got the job when Bledsoe went down. I am fairly certain Favre got the job when Majikowski went down, See the similarity? See how they are similar to Brady/Cassel?

There not similar at all when it comes down to Bledsoe.

You comparing a guy who had this

2000 New England Patriots (NFL) 58.8 3291 17 13 45 77.3
and the year before was even worst than this

To guy like this 68.9 4806 50 82 1117.2

If Brady had Bledsoe like numbers than yes, I would say your right. But he doesnt. He is a much better player. In reality, Brady's numbers the year Bledsoe got hurt are much better than Bledsoe previous year.

It's going to be a tough decision for the Pats if Cassel ends up winning the Super Bowl. You would have a guy, who didn't start a single game in college and has been sitting on the bench for years as a backup, come in and win the Super Bowl. Which would only feed into the belief that Brady is a system QB.

Of course, I hope this doesn't happen. I don't think I could stomach another Pats Super Bowl win.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
It's going to be a tough decision for the Pats if Cassel ends up winning the Super Bowl. You would have a guy, who didn't start a single game in college and has been sitting on the bench for years as a backup, come in and win the Super Bowl. Which would only feed into the belief that Brady is a system QB.

Of course, I hope this doesn't happen. I don't think I could stomach another Pats Super Bowl win.

Don't forget, there is absolutely no guarantee that Tom Brady will even be healthy enough next season

[QUOTE=11325847]Originally posted by Lord Evolution
[B]It's going to be a tough decision for the Pats if Cassel ends up winning the Super Bowl. You would have a guy, who didn't start a single game in college and has been sitting on the bench for years as a backup, come in and win the Super Bowl. Which would only feed into the belief that Brady is a system QB.

Of course, I hope this doesn't happen. I don't think I

Even if he is a system QB, which I don't think he is, he would still be better than Cassell.

He may not be coming off major knee surgery.

Lets just hope this is the case.

I cant really see it affecting Brady that much to be worst than Cassell.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And where would Green Bay stand now if Favre had stayed?

Ah oh.

Ware and Barber both injured tonight...hopefully it aint bad.....

Man, Ware is a beast. 15 sacks and alot of them come at important times.

It was also to see Choice and Bennett play really well.

Ware is definitely a beast! Should be in contention for defensive player of the year. From what I saw, his injury didn't look too serious. He was able to walk off the field on his own, so that's always a good sign.

As for Barber, I don't think his injury is too serious, either. He has a dislocated pinky toe, which will probably be sore as hell for awhile, but with the long rest until the next game, he should be ready.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Ware is definitely a beast! Should be in contention for defensive player of the year. From what I saw, his injury didn't look too serious. He was able to walk off the field on his own, so that's always a good sign.

As for Barber, I don't think his injury is too serious, either. He has a dislocated pinky toe, which will probably be sore as hell for awhile, but with the long rest until the next game, he should be ready.

Ware and Barber will be ready to go for their next game

Barber better be ready. It's playoff time in my money league.

Oh fantasy, hoping a player plays even though he plays for your hated rival.

Yep, he can have 4 TD's and 200 yards in a losing effort 35-28. That would be nice.