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Originally posted by Smasandian
They have no reputation. I'm not asking for an Super Bowl bid, but 6-10. I'm sorry that's very low in my opinion. I'm expecting 9-7, or 10-6. They have a good team.

[/b]Everybody says that NFL is "what you have done for me lately" league and a player who had a good year two years ago means shit this year. But it's getting younger and younger so a guy like Williams, whose 28, it's easy to think he might be able to have a similar season like he did two years ago. Especially considering he has a pretty good QB and a good offense. But he doesn't suck. He might be overrated but does not suck. [/B]

And just so you know that I'm not a Cowboy hater, lets run through the season so you can see why I say 8-8 is a fair take on what their season is going to be.

Bucs? They'll win. 1-0
Giants? Even with them being home, I don't think they'll win. 1-1
Carolina? I'll give them the win here, but I don't think it'll be easy. 2-1
Denver? Its at Denver, but they suck, so it could be a win. 3-1
Chiefs? They suck, Dallas wins. 4-1
Falcons? I like the Falcons in this game. 4-2
Seahawks? Again, I like the Seahawks, but I'll give this win to Dallas since its home. 5-2
Eagles? Got to go with the Eagles. 5-3
Green Bay? Its at Green Bay in November, the Packers have a good offense and their defense has been improved this off season. I'm going with the Packers. 5-4
Washington? Home game, I'll go with the Cowboys. 6-4
Oakland? They'll win. 7-4
Giants? Another loss. 7-5
San Diego? Another loss. 7-6
New Orleans? Toss up, I got to see what the Saints do during the season. 8-6
Washington? Washington wins. 8-7
Eagles? Eagles win. 8-8

That was a conservative estimate I feel, hence me saying 8-8. And the reason why I think they're living off of their reputation from their 13-3 season is because I've been listening to the radio and have noticed that people don't want to say that they aren't as good as they should be. They should be much better than just 8-8, they should be a superbowl contender every year since they're America's team.

I'm not attacking your team, dude, just expressing my opinion. You can disagree, but we're both sport fans, there's absolutely no reason to hold a grudge.

It's ridiculous to say they are living on their reputation from 3 years ago is all I'm saying when they do not have a reputation.

I don't know how their season is going to go but I know it's not going to 6-10.

As for Roy Williams, do you think he's skills have diminished to a point that he isn't a number 1 receiver in the league for a team? I don't think he has. I'm thinking his numbers are because of the situation he is in. It's not far to think that he can get 80 receptions, 1000 yards and 8 TD's with a healthy Romo throwing it to him. I didn't say he will.

Originally posted by Smasandian
It's ridiculous to say they are living on their reputation from 3 years ago is all I'm saying when they do not have a reputation.

I don't know how their season is going to go but I know it's not going to 6-10.

As for Roy Williams, do you think he's skills have diminished to a point that he isn't a number 1 receiver in the league for a team? I don't think he has. I'm thinking his numbers are because of the situation he is in. It's not far to think that he can get 80 receptions, 1000 yards and 8 TD's with a healthy Romo throwing it to him. I didn't say he will.

I think he can produce similar numbers that Owens did and is less crazy than he is.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I think he can produce similar numbers that Owens did and is less crazy than he is.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I think he can produce similar numbers that Owens did and is less crazy than he is.

Yeah right.

Ok. We will see.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
No, I've never thought that he was a number one receiver. The guy can make some great catches, I'll give him that, but he lacks the concetration to do more than that and gets jealous when other people get the ball (sound familiar?). I'll be the first to eat crow and say I was wrong if he has a good season this year, but with Jason Witten, I just don't see him doing what Forum said.

Just to clarify I never said it would be easy for him to do that I said he has to potential to put up those kind of numbers. Also I do not think Williams has a big problem with not getting the ball. He was really pretty supportive of Calvin Johnson. I remember a couple years ago on one of the ESPN fantasy drafts they televised they had Roy in the league and he drafted Calvin real early ahead of even himself and said right there on TV he thought he was the best. Even if he gets 65 catches and 750 yards and a handful of scores Dallas can still be very successful, their WR's are the 3rd option overall in that offense and do not need to be studs like the way Arizona does it.

Originally posted by forumcrew
Just to clarify I never said it would be easy for him to do that I said he has to potential to put up those kind of numbers. Also I do not think Williams has a big problem with not getting the ball. He was really pretty supportive of Calvin Johnson. I remember a couple years ago on one of the ESPN fantasy drafts they televised they had Roy in the league and he drafted Calvin real early ahead of even himself and said right there on TV he thought he was the best. Even if he gets 65 catches and 750 yards and a handful of scores Dallas can still be very successful, their WR's are the 3rd option overall in that offense and do not need to be studs like the way Arizona does it.

Edit: But, then again, he did admit that he knows people think he sucks and that he's got something to prove, so maybe he's past all of that.

I think he will be fine.

As you said, most WR's are prima donnas and that's why I never liked TO and Williams playing on the same team. But that's not the case and I think Williams will have a good year. 1000 yards and 8 TD's is not far fetched.

Moss quit on the vikings and Raiders he turned out to still be alright 🙂

Then quit on the Raiders and broke the single season TD record right afterwords.

I drive almost an hour to and from work, so I have a lot of time to think about things. Yesterday I was thinking of a scenario from a fan's standpoint. Wondering if you guys wanted a break from the 2009 Cowboys prediction discussion to offer your 2 cents.

Think of your fan "level" for your NFL team. Think of your devotion during the good & bad times, your frustration during failed plays & blown games, your purchasing of merchandise, your pride when talking smack with other fans, & your elation after victories. For this example I will use Forum's team, Seattle.

Scenario #1: Imagine the Seahawks dumped their entire roster and went out and acquired Tony Romo, Anquan Boldin, Marques Colston, Heath Miller, Shawne Merriman, Ed Reed, Drayton Florence, Albert Haynesworth, and a bunch of players on other NFL teams. Oh, and Tony Dungy was the coach.
Would your fan "level" be higher or lower or the same? Are you sure?

Sceneario #2: Imagine the Seahawks dumped their entire roster and signed a bunch of guys from the Seattle fish market. Bob Smith as QB, Travis Glazinski as WR, Tran Nguyen as DT, Bubba Tooten as SS, & Cathy Simmons as the head coach.
Would your fan "level" be higher or lower or the same? Are you sure?

My fan level would stay the same in most cases. I would get more excited but I would still watch all the games.

One funny aspect is when the team is hyped up, the more worried I get and generally it's less fun to watch. When the team is shit, I get more excited because they can only go up.

As for #2. Well, I think my fan level would go down because it seems to be a "fishy" move....hahahah.

Well, in my case it would go down a bit. I've never had the "luxury" of being a fan of a team like the Yankees that just buys all the Hollywood athletes, so I don't really know what that's like. As far as the Steelers go, I appreciate the ones that are there, especially since 9 defensive starters and 10 offensive starters were acquired through the draft or made the team as an undrafted FA (plus their K, P, and LS). That's 19 starters that the organization got on its own! How many does New England have? 5?

This is kinda creepy, but it's almost like if someone said to me, if we replace your mom and dad with millionaires, would you be happier?

wtf? It's NOTHING like that!

Not even close. At least for me. But I guess there are some people out there that would actually compare their love for their parents to the love of their favorite football team.

It all depends on how much you hate your parents, and I'm not talking emo hate, I'm talking abuse hate.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
wtf? It's NOTHING like that!

Not even close. At least for me. But I guess there are some people out there that would actually compare their love for their parents to the love of their favorite football team.

Dude, what's with the overreaction? Did you not get the analogy? (last name = city name......first name = player name). It's not that tough.

But even if you want to ignore that and just concentrate on the parents/team love thing, yes, there are plenty of people who love their team as much as their parents. Just because they don't hang out at your sports bar doesn't mean they don't exist. But that's not what this exercise was about.

My level would stay the same on both options; I'm a fan of the game first and foremost, team second, player third.

Originally posted by botankus
I drive almost an hour to and from work, so I have a lot of time to think about things. Yesterday I was thinking of a scenario from a fan's standpoint. Wondering if you guys wanted a break from the 2009 Cowboys prediction discussion to offer your 2 cents.

Think of your fan "level" for your NFL team. Think of your devotion during the good & bad times, your frustration during failed plays & blown games, your purchasing of merchandise, your pride when talking smack with other fans, & your elation after victories. For this example I will use Forum's team, Seattle.

Scenario #1: Imagine the Seahawks dumped their entire roster and went out and acquired Tony Romo, Anquan Boldin, Marques Colston, Heath Miller, Shawne Merriman, Ed Reed, Drayton Florence, Albert Haynesworth, and a bunch of players on other NFL teams. Oh, and Tony Dungy was the coach.
Would your fan "level" be higher or lower or the same? Are you sure?

Sceneario #2: Imagine the Seahawks dumped their entire roster and signed a bunch of guys from the Seattle fish market. Bob Smith as QB, Travis Glazinski as WR, Tran Nguyen as DT, Bubba Tooten as SS, & Cathy Simmons as the head coach.
Would your fan "level" be higher or lower or the same? Are you sure?

To #1 I would imagine by fan level would be higher. It is easy to say it would be the same but if we had a major off season overhaul and came in with what looked like an all pro lineup it would be hard to not have an increased level of excitement about it. I think another big impact here is there are not a lot of players on the team who demand a lot of player loyalty the likes of a Ray Lewis. Two of the longest tenured and most popular players (amongst myself and many of the fans) Bobby Engram and Mack Strong are both gone now, the team records all belong to older players who are not there any more either and we are already in the middle of some big changes. We have a completely new coaching staff and lots of new faces on the roster. Now I would think if I were a fan of a team like the Steelers I would feel differently on this question but for the current state of Seattle I think its a different story. (Can we just keep Tatupu though?)

For #2 I would just be pissed lol. Would still be a fan of the team but would not be excited about the season. I would imagine not living in the community anymore has an impact here as well though.