Thanos with IG vs. Darkseid with ALE

Originally posted by Juntai
GS, I heard someone state a while back that there's infinity gauntlet created in each universe, but I didn't recall reading that in any of the books I read that dealt with it or Thanos, can you confirm or deny this for me and if so, where/when it was stated?

If that's true, it is indeed likely that it each Gauntlet was created specifically for it's own universe.

I havent read or heard that before either. If that was the case then that contradicts everything we heard about the Infinity Being. The gems were created from his body on the event of his death and he killed himself out of loneliness, because he was the ONLY being alive in the multiverse at one point. That would suggest that they are indeed unique in the multiverse. They do however only have universal level power, thats conclusive.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I havent read or heard that before either. If that was the case then that contradicts everything we heard about the Infinity Being. The gems were created from his body on the event of his death and he killed himself out of loneliness, because he was the ONLY being alive in the multiverse at one point. That would suggest that they are indeed unique in the multiverse. They do however only have universal level power, thats conclusive.

[Misinterpretation.}

How? Silver Surfer's story totally contradicted the Infitini Gaunlet saga itself. Is the Silver Surfer issue non canon then? It can't be, its the original Silver Surfer series, and what happened in his versions were totally different from the IG saga events. What's the deal then? If that's not alternate realities, then what is that?

{Theres no reason why the IG shouldnt be able to affect another universe within Marvel, however it couldnt do so whilst simultaneously effecting 616, the Gauntlet as stated only has universal scale power. It can give a wielder virtually total control over a single reality at a time. I think all the confusion has arisen over the claim that the IG can only affect one universe. You interpreted that as meaning it could only function in 616, whereas what could have been meant (and what is true) is that it has universal power so it cant provide mastery over more than one reality at a time}

Which is sorta almost kinda (lol) where I was trying to go. I beleive that Thanos can destroy more than one universe, since he with a simple command destroyed half the Universe and still had infinite power at his disposal, there had to have been the possibility that he can destroy more universes. Okay, I'll budge....he probably can't destroy another universe If he's located in the 616 Universe.

Ne ways while on this topic is universal or multiversal jurisdiction, someone stated that with a fraction of the ALE's true power, a universe can be destroyed. That doesn't convince me of its dominance over IG.

Thanos wiped out half the Universe with a simple command. There's no "fraction" of power being used persay. The IG is infinite in power and ability, it's not like he destroyed half the universe and then got tired or any weaker. He destroyed half the universe, and was the SAME Thanos with the SAMe level of power he acquired....infinite.

As for location having anything to do with his power of one or more universes, the Space Gem is an Infitini Gem as well. Distance is no longer a factor for Thanos with that gem, and saying that his power is limitted to one universe is a matter of space. Space Gem gives its wielder dominion over space, so it doesn't make sense that its limitted to ONE Universe for two reasons:

1) It's an Infitini Gem- there should be no limit
2) It's power over space, two universes occupy space, there should be no obstacle here

Hence, in my opinion, more retcon BS

Speaking of retcon, Kirby left the ALE to intepretation did he not? The ALE's powers arent even made clear, therefore its up to the writers to retcon, add and subtract all they want.

DC is kinda cheesy about ubering up thier characters and weapons.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[Misinterpretation.}

How? Silver Surfer's story totally contradicted the Infitini Gaunlet saga itself. Is the Silver Surfer issue non canon then? It can't be, its the original Silver Surfer series, and what happened in his versions were totally different from the IG saga events. What's the deal then? If that's not alternate realities, then what is that?

You need to re-read my post. In your previous one you were arguing as if i had said the IG couldnt be used in any universe but 616. I never, hence the reason i said misinterpretation. What youre going on about here i really dont know. Nothing to do with what i said.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Which is sorta almost kinda (lol) where I was trying to go. I beleive that Thanos can destroy more than one universe, since he with a simple command destroyed half the Universe and still had infinite power at his disposal, there had to have been the possibility that he can destroy more universes. Okay, I'll budge....he probably can't destroy another universe If he's located in the 616 Universe.

Ne ways while on this topic is universal or multiversal jurisdiction, someone stated that with a fraction of the ALE's true power, a universe can be destroyed. That doesn't convince me of its dominance over IG.

Thanos wiped out half the Universe with a simple command. There's no "fraction" of power being used persay. The IG is infinite in power and ability, it's not like he destroyed half the universe and then got tired or any weaker. He destroyed half the universe, and was the SAME Thanos with the SAMe level of power he acquired....infinite.

Youre missing the point. The IG as stated on panel gives universal level power. With that in mind for all practical purposes within a universe he is going to have virtually unlimited power as he can employ all resources within said universe, however put him up against someone who wields power on a multiversal level and he will come up short. There are levels of infinity. You'd say that the amount of odd numbers are infinite as they can go on and on forever. You'd also say the same about even numbers as you can keep on counting forever. However whole numbers incorporate both even and odd numbers and therefore are on a level of infinity beyond either of the two sub sets. Do you understand?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
As for location having anything to do with his power of one or more universes, the Space Gem is an Infitini Gem as well. Distance is no longer a factor for Thanos with that gem, and saying that his power is limitted to one universe is a matter of space. Space Gem gives its wielder dominion over space, so it doesn't make sense that its limitted to ONE Universe for two reasons:

1) It's an Infitini Gem- there should be no limit
2) It's power over space, two universes occupy space, there should be no obstacle here

Hence, in my opinion, more retcon BS

1) There are levels of infinity, dont get caught up on the name.

2) Its power over space at a universal level. Not all space in existence.

As per current continuity, the gems derive power from the Big Bang, they have virtually unlimited power at a universal level. They can therefore give a wielder almost total control of one universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Youre missing the point. The IG as stated on panel gives universal level power. With that in mind for all practical purposes within a universe he is going to have virtually unlimited power as he can employ all resources within said universe, however put him up against someone who wields power on a multiversal level and he will come up short. There are levels of infinity. You'd say that the amount of odd numbers are infinite as they can go on and on forever. You'd also say the same about even numbers as you can keep on counting forever. However whole numbers incorporate both even and odd numbers and therefore are on a level of infinity beyond either of the two sub sets. Do you understand?

Isn't Eternity potrayed as Multiversal, and it gave him power over him. 🙂

{You need to re-read my post. In your previous one you were arguing as if i had said the IG couldnt be used in any universe but 616. I never, hence the reason i said misinterpretation. What youre going on about here i really dont know. Nothing to do with what i said}

Then I must have not written it correctly, cuz that's not what I was trying to say. And it wasn't about what you said, it was just about the fact that IG is universal power, someone said that IG can only work in one universe...that why i asked all that.

{Youre missing the point. The IG as stated on panel gives universal level power. With that in mind for all practical purposes within a universe he is going to have virtually unlimited power as he can employ all resources within said universe, however put him up against someone who wields power on a multiversal level and he will come up short. There are levels of infinity. You'd say that the amount of odd numbers are infinite as they can go on and on forever. You'd also say the same about even numbers as you can keep on counting forever. However whole numbers incorporate both even and odd numbers and therefore are on a level of infinity beyond either of the two sub sets. Do you understand?}

Yes I do understand, I learned that a while back. Interesting stuff. Whatever the deal, I feel that this is total retcon. Be patient with me here, I'm trying to organize my thoughts into a proper argument.

The Reality Gem was specified in Thanos Quest "Heaven or Hell. Mine to Choose" as well as the Soul Gem being able to affect and control the souls of the dead." ----you can't blame me for having the impression that the IG's reach might have even been able to mess around with Heaven and Hell itself.

Not to mention that the IG was the only being that existed in any and all realities.

Either the writers didn't know which way to go with this, or its retconned to that other things Marvel comes up with can be more impressive than the Infitini Gems.

I do like the Pheonix idea however !

But to have IG going from being the remains of a Supreme Being to being powered by the Big Bang, is total retcon. Duh I have to just suck it up and go by what the facts are today, but what a rip off. I beleive at the time, IG was meant to be the ultamate in power, and now they depowered it so much that its influence no longer stands the same.

{1) There are levels of infinity, dont get caught up on the name.

2) Its power over space at a universal level. Not all space in existence.

As per current continuity, the gems derive power from the Big Bang, they have virtually unlimited power at a universal level. They can therefore give a wielder almost total control of one universe.}

I know there are levels of Infiniti , but Infiniti has no limits. If the Space Gem is an gem of infinite power, then its range goes....infinitely. It's a contradiction then. A Universe is not infinite though, space is.

Okay let me not go off topic....The point is Infitini Gems have been retconned from belonging to the essense of a Supreme Being to being a part of the Big Bang.

IF ALE is multiversal than yeah, it has more jurisdiction in terms of universes and space, but what can you DO with it. Is it just something that ends all life? Or is is a reality altering thing, no one answered my question about that.

If all it does is End Life, the IG can protect its wielder from that. If Thanos has IG and Darksied tries to wipe out all life in his universe, since Thanos would be supreme being of that universe's physics and cosmic structures, Thanos can deny that attack.

'1) There are levels of infinity, dont get caught up on the name.'

W.T.F. 😕

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
Isn't Eternity potrayed as Multiversal, and it gave him power over him. 🙂

Nope. Hes very much universal as stated and detailed in his latest bio. 😉

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
'1) There are levels of infinity, dont get caught up on the name.'

W.T.F. 😕

Allow me to explain myself. There are differing levels of infinity do not get caught by the definition which would lead you to believe that anything deemed infinite is unsurpassable.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Allow me to explain myself. There are differing levesl of infinity do not get caught by the definition which would lead you to believe that anything deemed infinite is unsurpassable.

'Allow me to explain. There are diffrent types of holes, do not get caught up in the definition of a hole, which would leave you to beleive that any dent or creivice in a piece of material is a hole. 🙂

Confused ? 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Hes very much universal as stated and detailed in his latest bio. 😉

Whose incharge of the Squadron Supreme universe ? 🙂

{"'Allow me to explain. There are diffrent types of holes, do not get caught up in the definition of a hole, which would leave you to beleive that any dent or creivice in a piece of material is a hole.

Confused ? }

AHAHAHHAHAHHAAAAAAAA 😆

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
'Allow me to explain. There are diffrent types of holes, do not get caught up in the definition of a hole, which would leave you to beleive that any dent or creivice in a piece of material is a hole. 🙂

Confused ? 🙂

😉 U know what i mean.

Same old b*stard

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
Whose incharge of the Squadron Supreme universe ? 🙂

Straczynski? Quesada? 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
😉 U know what i mean.

Same [B]old b*stard [/B]

Whose Old ? 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Straczynski? Quesada? 😕

Abstaract wise ? Does hit have its own grouping of Abstracts ? If tthis is the case Thanos should have maybe gone to another universe to see if he would have better luck with thier version of death. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Whose Old ? 🙂

Apparently, I am ? 😕

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Abstaract wise ? Does hit have its own grouping of Abstracts ? If tthis is the case Thanos should have maybe gone to another universe to see if he would have better luck with thier version of death. 🙂

So youre skank as well. I forgot about the level thing the other day.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So youre skank as well. I forgot about the level thing the other day.

Or maybe we PM a lot ???????? 😏

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
Or maybe we PM a lot ???????? 😏

Don't give the game away, my friend. 🙂