Thanos with IG vs. Darkseid with ALE

Multiversal means nothing. Scarlet which had affects across more than her universe, doesn't mean she can destroy the gauntlet. Your basing your opinion on , "Darseid is the best so he wins" and thats a terrible arguement. As far as the white crown goes, it personifies all that is and all that was. I suppose the IG would not affect the white crown because it was part of the creation of the IG. According to curent continuem, the phoenix is responsible for the creation of the multiverse and she shall also be its destruction. Mider, you can't compare the ALE to the Phoenix, the ALE is nothing to the phoenix. It controls will, that's all. I doubt the ALE could stop the spectre. It is not the end all to be alls that you want it to be.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Just understand that from now forward, any arguments i made about the IG are referring to classic Infinity Gems mythology, not the current ret con, because CURRENT ret con IG is obviously muchh weaker than ALE, and MUCH WEAKER than its original intended power.

You are not at liberty to do so as this is not your thread. If you think that current IG loses then say that and move on. As per forum rules unless otherwise stated by the threadmaker all featured characters and objects are the their current canon incarnations. Its irrelevant if you dont like that.

WAY TO GO BIG SEXY !

Multiversal vs Universal is the Card you guys pulling, yeah its safe argument but not the ENDER of it.

IT DEPENDS WHAT BOTH DO...... Controlling the will and order on a multiversal scale is very impressive, but IG (im referring to classic version as said) will still have dominance over that one Universe's entire structure since its a reality controlling tool...ALE won't affect a Universe that the original IG is in charge of....is all i have to say about that.

And no...ALE cannot compare to White Pheonix of the Crown since that is the very essense of Marvel's multiverse, theres no fkn comparison....excuse me, but ALE having ORDER forcing power on a multiversal scale doesn't compare to White Pheonix of the Crown being the driving force is its entire multiverse.

Ne ways Classic Beyonder still beats them all...i dont like him, but its true

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
(im referring to classic version as said

Not your thread. Youre not at liberty to do so. You've already stated that you think the IG would lose so why carry on?

Actually there can really be no arguement. Until it is shown what the ALE can do interms of power. But if the ALE only affects Will power, its not stronger than the IG.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Actually there can really be no arguement. Until it is shown what the ALE can do interms of power. But if the ALE only affects Will power, its not stronger than the IG.

If it is indeed a multiversal power source then it is indeed more powerful than the IG. The IG just has more variety. Either way you've misunderstood the point to my participation. Im not taking sides in this debate. I was just merely highlighting the misconceptions presented by L.U as fact, thats all. I dont know enough about the ALE to make a decision on the outcome and as such i havent really bothered.

{{{{You are not at liberty to do so as this is not your thread. If you think that current IG loses then say that and move on. As per forum rules unless otherwise stated by the threadmaker all featured characters and objects are the their current canon incarnations. Its irrelevant if you dont like that.}}}}

Talis hasn't stated the limits. He/She hasn't stated which version of the IG he's talking about. People bring up Classic Beyonder and Pre Crisis Darksied and PC Superman all the time, so I have every right to bring up the original IG saga and the gems themselves.

LIKE I ALREADY SAID..this is not about what i like or dont like. this is about what I think.

I already said if its current IG ALe wins...if its classic IG Ale doesn't. I have every right to bring up classic IG since:

1) by Facts current IG loses, what other point to this debate would there be

2) For the reasons concerning classic beyonder etc.

I don't care if you say I don't have the Liberty to do so, people voice their opinions hear all the time, no matter how rediculous some of them may be, I have the right to do the same.

{{{Not your thread. Youre not at liberty to do so. You've already stated that you think the IG would lose so why carry on?}}}}

I stated Current IG would lose. Not REAL IG. I admit I personally see the Infinity Gauntlet saga as the real scenario of IG since that's the Saga its all based on. I have every right to do so, continue to tell me all you want that I cannot refer to this, I still will.

Why carry on?

As long as someone beleives that ALE can beat IG in any scenario, I feel obliged to defend my opinion.

Any other questions ?

{{{If it is indeed a multiversal power source then it is indeed more powerful than the IG. The IG just has more variety. Either way you've misunderstood the point to my participation. Im not taking sides in this debate. I was just merely highlighting the misconceptions presented by L.U as fact, thats all. I dont know enough about the ALE to make a decision on the outcome and as such i havent really bothered.}}}

Like I said, theres no misconceptions. I know what im intentionally referring to when it comes to IG, I only admit that when it comes to ALE, im only going on from what I hear and read.

If you're not going to bother making a prediction of whose victory it is, then whats the point to even posting on this threat? TO MODERATE ME ? Wow GS...im flattered

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If it is indeed a multiversal power source then it is indeed more powerful than the IG. The IG just has more variety. Either way you've misunderstood the point to my participation. Im not taking sides in this debate. I was just merely highlighting the misconceptions presented by L.U as fact, thats all. I dont know enough about the ALE to make a decision on the outcome and as such i havent really bothered.

The problem is that ALE has been under different interpretations that have been seen.

Their have been allusions made but nothing more.

Their is one comic, in which the ale was found by darkseid but he only used the power to take control of New Genesis and Earth. In the end of this comic, he is defeated by Superman, but the comic is not canon.

The point is that even if the ALE has an affect in a different universe does not mean it is automatically above a universe.

I know I have used this but look at Mephisto.
In a fight in his own realm he was able to defeat the Silver Surfer but as soon as he leaves, the surfer was able to defeat him.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
{{{{You are not at liberty to do so as this is not your thread. If you think that current IG loses then say that and move on. As per forum rules unless otherwise stated by the threadmaker all featured characters and objects are the their current canon incarnations. Its irrelevant if you dont like that.}}}}

Talis hasn't stated the limits. He/She hasn't stated which version of the IG he's talking about. People bring up Classic Beyonder and Pre Crisis Darksied and PC Superman all the time, so I have every right to bring up the original IG saga and the gems themselves.

Read my previous post and then read what you've said above. You must be very tired. 😕

As Talis has not stated the limits as i have said , the thread is therefore pertaining to current incarnations, if you dont like that then take it up with a mod.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
LIKE I ALREADY SAID..this is not about what i like or dont like. this is about what I think.

Unless what you think is supported on panel then it is irrelevant in this debate.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I already said if its current IG ALe wins...if its classic IG Ale doesn't. I have every right to bring up classic IG since:

1) by Facts current IG loses, what other point to this debate would there be

The success of the thread if it is current incarnations is none of your concern, that is for Tallis to sort out.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
2) For the reasons concerning classic beyonder etc.

Must have missed that when i bypassed the rant.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't care if you say I don't have the Liberty to do so, people voice their opinions hear all the time, no matter how rediculous some of them may be, I have the right to do the same.

Of course people voice their opinions here all the time but when they do so its on topic, or if its not a poster or a mod usually comes in and tells everyone to stay on topic. You do NOT have the right to ignore forum rules just because in your opinion other sdo the same. Thats the most ridiculous logic ive heard. 😕

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
{{{Not your thread. Youre not at liberty to do so. You've already stated that you think the IG would lose so why carry on?}}}}

I stated Current IG would lose. Not REAL IG. I admit I personally see the Infinity Gauntlet saga as the real scenario of IG since that's the Saga its all based on. I have every right to do so, continue to tell me all you want that I cannot refer to this, I still will.

Real Ig? The current interpretation is no less real than the one youre so fond of. You mean youre favoured IG, which at the moment just happens to have nothing whatsoever to do with this thread. 🙁

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
As long as someone beleives that ALE can beat IG in any scenario, I feel obliged to defend my opinion.

Any other questions ?

Your entitled to defend your argument but as long as its in line with thread parameters, which you are dismissing because that would mean your favoured combatant more than likely loses. 😉

GS I have a question.
Lets take the 616 and Ultimate universe for example
Lets say I can destroy a planet in both the 616 and the ultimate universe.
Lets say that you can destroy the entire 616 but you have no power in the Ultimate Universe.
Who do you think is stronger if we fought in the 616.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
{{{If it is indeed a multiversal power source then it is indeed more powerful than the IG. The IG just has more variety. Either way you've misunderstood the point to my participation. Im not taking sides in this debate. I was just merely highlighting the misconceptions presented by L.U as fact, thats all. I dont know enough about the ALE to make a decision on the outcome and as such i havent really bothered.}}}

Like I said, theres no misconceptions. I know what im intentionally referring to when it comes to IG, I only admit that when it comes to ALE, im only going on from what I hear and read.

There were misconceptions as you admittedly didnt know about the current IG incarnation. You also had misconceptions about the Infinity Being creating the multiverse and it being a multiversal being. I came in and clarified. Now you are better informed youre ignoring continuity in favour of your preferred interpretation. By doing so youre convoluting the thread and breaking forum rules. ❌

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If you're not going to bother making a prediction of whose victory it is, then whats the point to even posting on this threat? TO MODERATE ME ? Wow GS...im flattered

I will make a prediction when i find out more about the ALE. Until then im just monitoring the debate and correcting any misconceptions ive come across. You've kept me quite busy in that regard. 🙂

Originally posted by Big Sexy
GS I have a question.
Lets take the 616 and Ultimate universe for example
Lets say I can destroy a planet in both the 616 and the ultimate universe.
Lets say that you can destroy the entire 616 but you have no power in the Ultimate Universe.
Who do you think is stronger if we fought in the 616.

I know what youre trying to say, but given that by forum rules they'd be fighting in an arena where both their powers work as normal, it doesnt really matter. Theyre on neutral ground.

I dont know much about the ALE so im going to read a few books 2nite and find out if its truly multiversal as has been claimed, because what evidence has been put forward so far is a bit suspect.

agreed

{{{{Read my previous post and then read what you've said above. You must be very tired.

As Talis has not stated the limits as i have said , the thread is therefore pertaining to current incarnations, if you dont like that then take it up with a mod. }}}}}}

Bro I dont have to take up anything. I'm just going to continue my argument as I have been doing.

{{{{Unless what you think is supported on panel then it is irrelevant in this debate.}}}}

It's not irrevelent if I'm talking about the Infinity Gems. They were mentioned on this debate you know.

{{{The success of the thread if it is current incarnations is none of your concern, that is for Tallis to sort out.}}}}

What ?

{{{{Must have missed that when i bypassed the rant.}}}}

Bro I'm never this disrespectful to anyone, even when I know thier full of BS. I think this will be my last response to you.

{{{Of course people voice their opinions here all the time but when they do so its on topic, or if its not a poster or a mod usually comes in and tells everyone to stay on topic. You do NOT have the right to ignore forum rules just because in your opinion other sdo the same. Thats the most ridiculous logic ive heard. }}}}

If i was talking about anything other than Infinity Gems of ALE than you'd be right. Oh sorry for brining up Classic Beyonder.

If that's the most rediculous logic you ever heard, than you must have no heard a lot.

{{{{Real Ig? The current interpretation is no less real than the one youre so fond of. You mean youre favoured IG, which at the moment just happens to have nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.}}}

It has to do with my justification for using classic IG instead of current IG, so yes it does have something to do with the thread. It's more real to me either way.

Current IG has no weight against ALE....so why should I defend THAT version of it ? I can't ! It's been severely de powered.

{{{{Your entitled to defend your argument but as long as its in line with thread parameters, which you are dismissing because that would mean your favoured combatant more than likely loses}}}

I cannot stick with Current IG, because I have no way of defending it against ALE. Big Sexy isn't using current IG either. He's referring to the IG that gave Thanos reality control over his Universe. If he can do that, so can I.

Again...this is not about favor. Yes, I like Thanos better than Darkseid, but I also like Pheonix better than Thanos. Yet, I'm choosing the version of Thanos' IG which would actually give him a CHANCE at winning this versus thread.

I have every right to do so, and I will continue doing so.

🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

{{{I will make a prediction when i find out more about the ALE. Until then im just monitoring the debate and correcting any misconceptions ive come across. You've kept me quite busy in that regard. }}}

I can't wait to hear your argument, although it seems that from what already has been said, current ALE would beat current IG.

BTW Glad I gave you something to do lol

Actually you could use current IG in this arguement. With the power his did use it to trap of the The celestials, Galactus, and Eternity. My point is I don't think that the ALE is stronger than Eternity.

If I had to guess, I wouls say it would probably be equal to an incomplete cube being whose powers just extend to more than one Universe. I believe it is beneath Eternity. But thats just speculation until we see what it can do.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

I have every right to do so, and I will continue doing so.

You have no right to do so whatsoever as when you signed up to this forum you agreed to abide by its rules. Youre taking it upon yourself to ignore said rules because you feel the match up is unfair if you abide by the rules and use current incarnations.

Why dont you try to do what most sensible posters would do in the same situation and either post a suggestion to the threadmaker or better still create your own thread where you can dictate the parameters. Either way youre being very inconsiderate by posting as you please. A little maturity goes a long way in making a fine debator. 🙁