Martial Arts

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
The term "MMA" is a misnomer. The only styles they ever use are kick boxing with some grappling. When was the last time you saw tiger style kung fu, boxing or sumo wrestling on UFC or PRIDE? That's why I think they should stop saying mixed martial arts.

If you ever get a chance to see The Quest starring Jean Claude Van Damme, do it. Now that's REAL mixed martial arts fighting.

It's not a misnomer in the least.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
The term "MMA" is a misnomer. The only styles they ever use are kick boxing with some grappling. When was the last time you saw tiger style kung fu, boxing or sumo wrestling on UFC or PRIDE? That's why I think they should stop saying mixed martial arts.

If you ever get a chance to see The Quest starring Jean Claude Van Damme, do it. Now that's REAL mixed martial arts fighting.

No... That's a movie.
UFC revolutionized martial arts. We know what works and what dosen't work. A pure Kung-Fu stylist would leave UFC/Pride on a stretcher.
MMA fighters primarly study: western boxing, wrestling, BJJ, and muay thai. Thats what works.

Originally posted by StyleTime
All fighters cross train in boxing. Fedor uses sambo/judo. Yoshida uses judo. The members of the Chute Boxe team use Chute Boxe. Genki Sudo uses pro-wrestling(japanese). Alistair Overeem does Muay Thai. Gary Goodridge's style was listed as Kuk Sool Won. Akebono uses sumo wrestling. Cung Li does san shou. Mark Coleman uses wrestling. Chuck Liddell does karate believe it or not. Hell, I even saw a guy in the IFC who knew capoiera! Also, grappling is a very broad term. It's not fair to throw all grappling styles under one net. For example, Judo is very different from Brazilian Juijutsu. In addition to their favored style, the fighters cross train in other important aspects of fighting not covered in their own art. This is where the term "Mixed Martial Arts" comes from.

It's not a misnomer in the least.

Never have I once seen capoiera. The only styles you really ever see are kick boxing, muay thai, karate, judo and mat wrestling.

More accurately, you really just see punching, kicking and armbars. Usually a fighters style isn't very distinct.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
We know what works and what dosen't work.

That's a bunch of crap; it depends on the individual.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
A pure Kung-Fu stylist would leave UFC/Pride on a stretcher.

Quite a claim. What makes you say that? I believe a kunf-fu stylist would handle himself quite nicely, regardless of style whether its tiger, monkey or drunken.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Never have I once seen capoiera. The only styles you really ever see are kick boxing, muay thai, karate, judo and mat wrestling.

More accurately, you really just see punching, kicking and armbars. Usually a fighters style isn't very distinct.

That's a bunch of crap; it depends on the individual.

Quite a claim. What makes you say that? I believe a kunf-fu stylist would handle himself quite nicely, regardless of style whether its tiger, monkey or drunken.

Once again, you're judging over million fighters based on what you saw by some mid-tier fighters in UFC. When you see Crocop throwing axe kicks, his style is pretty distinct.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
That's a bunch of crap; it depends on the individual.

Quite a claim. What makes you say that? I believe a kunf-fu stylist would handle himself quite nicely, regardless of style whether its tiger, monkey or drunken.

Actually, there have been kung fu stylists to enter these tournaments before. None of them have ever achieved victories over even low tier fighters. Jim Reaper is quite right when he says they leave on stretchers.

The reason you see a lot of similar stuff sometimes is because fighters actually understand what's effective and what isn't. Why do you see more Judo but rarely any Aikido? Judo works. Why is there more kickboxing than Wing Chun? Kickboxing has proved itself. Some styles are just plain better than others.

Real fighting isn't like the movies.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Never have I once seen capoiera. The only styles you really ever see are kick boxing, muay thai, karate, judo and mat wrestling.

More accurately, you really just see punching, kicking and armbars. Usually a fighters style isn't very distinct.

That's a bunch of crap; it depends on the individual.

Quite a claim. What makes you say that? I believe a kunf-fu stylist would handle himself quite nicely, regardless of style whether its tiger, monkey or drunken.

Case in point, it's what works...
I studied Kung Fu for 2 years as a kid, and trust me, my ex-cifu (K-fu teacher) would be murdered if he stepped in a cage. My ex-trainer fights in King of the Cage, trust me, murdered.
Bruce Lee was asked what one must learn to defeat a martial artist, and Lee replied: "Boxing and wrestling."
A fighters heart is a huge factor, and it does depend on the individuals will, but you have to have the proper training.

Originally posted by StyleTime

That isn't a bunch of crap at all. Kung Fu has been proven not to be effective. Since you're into movie fighters, I'll use one as an example. Guess what styles Bruce Lee decided were better than kung fu? Boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, and muay thai.

Sry Style, didn't see you beat me to that one. 😄

Originally posted by spidergrl
I've been looking around and there are hardly no topics on martial arts. So i choose to be the one to break the ice. wat martial art do you do or want to get involved in. I do taekwondo but would love to learn kung fu or something.

at the moment im doin Go-Ju-Ru but i have done wing chun, kick boxing, ishan rue. the best so far has been ishan ru or wing chun. id like to do kung fu.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there.

Once again, you're judging over million fighters based on what you saw by some mid-tier fighters in UFC. When you see Crocop throwing axe kicks, his style is pretty distinct.

That isn't a bunch of crap at all. Kung Fu has been proven not to be effective. Since you're into movie fighters, I'll use one as an example. Guess what styles Bruce Lee decided were better than kung fu? Boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, and muay thai.

Actually, there have been kung fu stylists to enter these tournaments before. None of them have ever achieved victories over even low tier fighters. Jim Reaper is quite right when he says they leave on stretchers.

The reason you see a lot of similar stuff sometimes is because fighters actually understand what's effective and what isn't. Why do you see more Judo but rarely any Aikido? Judo works. Why is there more kickboxing than Wing Chun? Kickboxing has proved itself. Some styles are just plain better than others.

Real fighting isn't like the movies.

The main reason that kung fu isn't very popluar in "mixed" martial arts is because its designed to fend off multiple attackers armed with melee weapons.

here are the main weaknesses of gong-fu:

1) over-offensiveness often undermines defense.

2) the acrobatics are tyring and at times unnecessary

3) Lacks good strength

4) better suited for someone with ADD

Kung fu is ideal for situations such as a bar fight, where a wrestler would get pwned. (wrestling is strictly a one on one style).

Why do you believe gong fu so ineffective? Something personal?

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Case in point, it's what works...
I studied Kung Fu for 2 years as a kid, and trust me, my ex-cifu (K-fu teacher) would be murdered if he stepped in a cage. My ex-trainer fights in King of the Cage, trust me, murdered.
Bruce Lee was asked what one must learn to defeat a martial artist, and Lee replied: "Boxing and wrestling."
A fighters heart is a huge factor, and it does depend on the individuals will, but you have to have the proper training.

What style did you study? And why would your sifu get "murdered"?

I do praying mantis, which along with snake is more one on one orientated than say.......monkey or drunken.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Sry Style, didn't see you beat me to that one. 😄

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
The main reason that kung fu isn't very popluar in "mixed" martial arts is because its designed to fend off multiple attackers armed with melee weapons.

And stop acting like MMA doesn't deserve to be called "mixed". I proved you wrong in my last post.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Kung fu is ideal for situations such as a bar fight, where a wrestler would get pwned. (wrestling is strictly a one on one style).

MAN!! There was an article I wish I could show you, but I don't have it now. A MMAtist and some others got jumped outside of a nightclub by 9 men with knives. The mixed martial artist escaped with only minor wounds and took down some of the assailants. The rest of the victims literally DIED.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Why do you believe gong fu so ineffective? Something personal?

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
I do praying mantis, which along with snake is more one on one orientated than say.......monkey or drunken.

Originally posted by StyleTime
No. The main reason it isn't popular is because it doesn't work. Multiple attackers have even more of an advantage over a typical kung fu stylist than a Mixed martial artist or kickboxer due the latter two's training.

And stop acting like MMA doesn't deserve to be called "mixed". I proved you wrong in my last post.

No. Kung fu is designed for fending off multiple attackers, hence why you see them quickly deal with one attacker and then the in a split second they're dealing with the next.

The only thing you've proven is your lack of faith in it as well as your distaste in it.

Originally posted by StyleTime
A wrestler is at the same disadvantage any fighter is in a multiple opponent fight. However, a wrestler would still have a better chance here than a kung fu stylists since a grappler would be able to disable opponents far faster than some lunatic hopping around and throwing weak chain punches.

Yeah, and then the wrestler gets a beer bottle shattered over his head as he applies a half nelson to ONE guy...

Originally posted by StyleTime
I have nothing against kung fu at all. I think it looks great in movies. That doesn't change the fact that it consistantly loses when put up against other styles. Not to mention, training for kung fu is usually little to no contact. You can't learn to fight by....not fighting.

Are you saying that we (kung fu practitioners) never spar or contact-train? 🤨

Originally posted by StyleTime
All of which still bow before kickboxing.

Depending on the individual of coarse. A practitioner of any style can defeat a practitioner of any other style. No one fighting style is inherently greater than another. If you're a martial artist (which I'm assuming you are) then you should know that.

I'm willing to bet money that any kung fu master (of ANY style) would totally wipe his ass with Tito Ortiz's face.

sup guyz, check out this video i made dedicated to Andrei Arlovski.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LtFrAU1rQ4

im gonna probably make one for Cro Cop, Fedor, Chuck, Shogun and Mark Hunt...but if i get banned again then it wont be possible 😛

tell me what you guyz think, suggestions would be great.

peace!

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
No. Kung fu is designed for fending off multiple attackers, hence why you see them quickly deal with one attacker and then the in a split second they're dealing with the next.

The only thing you've proven is your lack of faith in it as well as your distaste in it.

You said it doesn't deserve "mixed". I told you just a few fighters who have vastly different fighting styles. I assure you there's far more, and MMA allows ANY hand to hand style to compete. It deserves to be called mixed. Let go of your bias.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Yeah, and then the wrestler gets a beer bottle shattered over his head as he applies a half nelson to ONE guy...

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Are you saying that we (kung fu practitioners) never spar or contact-train? 🤨

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
Depending on the individual of coarse. A practitioner of any style can defeat a practitioner of any other style. No one fighting style is inherently greater than another. If you're a martial artist (which I'm assuming you are) then you should know that.

I'm willing to bet money that any kung fu master (of ANY style) would totally wipe his ass with Tito Ortiz'sface.

Listen for a second. If Fighter A beats Fighter B 3 times in a row. You'd say Fighter A is better. If kung fu consitently loses to other styles, why should it be any different? Since no kung fu fighter has ever won anything, you have no ground to stand on.

1. Tito Ortiz isn't good. (Shoot I'd want him to lose to a kung fu guy)
2. Stop judging MMA by some mid level fighters in UFC.
3. No a kung fu master wouldn't.

If you think kung fu is so great. It isn't hard to prove it. Go find a kickboxing, MMA, kyokushin karate or any full contact gym and tell them you think you can compete. I'm sure they'll happily find someone your size to show you the flaws of kung fu. Oh and bring some friend who one of your "multiple opponents" kung fu styles and have him or her fight several people from a gym like the the ones I listed. He should win since kung fu pwns multiple people right?

Originally posted by -hh-
sup guyz, check out this video i made dedicated to Andrei Arlovski.

im gonna probably make one for Cro Cop, Fedor, Chuck, Shogun and Mark Hunt...but if i get banned again then it wont be possible 😛

tell me what you guyz think, suggestions would be great.

peace!

I haven't seen a Mark Hunt HL before. Looking forward to that.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul

What style did you study? And why would your sifu get "murdered"?

"Shaolin."

Put it this way: if you take a traditional kung-fu stylist and put him in a cage with a MMA fighter(same wgt class,same conditioning,)he would be completly destroyed. If he hasnt trained: wrestling, BJJ, boxing, sprawling, escaping the mount, etc...he has no chance.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
"Shaolin."

Put it this way: if you take a traditional kung-fu stylist and put him in a cage with a MMA fighter(same wgt class,same conditioning,)he would be completly destroyed. If he hasnt trained: wrestling, BJJ, boxing, sprawling, escaping the mount, etc...he has no chance.

Originally posted by -hh-
this is true in most cases, but i cant stress this enough. You can learn all the BJJ and Wrestling in the world, but still get defeated by a Tae Kwon Do fighter. I've seen it happen. It's not what technique you study, it's how well you master it.

There's always a punchers chance.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
There's always a punchers chance.

Thai Boxing

My bud saw Tito Ortiz Saturday at a club around11PM... Said he was drinkin', so I guess he's not to worried about Shamrock Tuesday.
Said he was cool, got a pic with him.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
My bud saw Tito Ortiz Saturday at a club around11PM... Said he was drinkin', so I guess he's not to worried about Shamrock Tuesday.
Said he was cool, got a pic with him.