Lor Pelek(kar vastor) vs (ESB)Vader

The movies, aka highest level of canon, show him as slow. Hence, he's slow. I haven't read Purge, so I don't know about that, but from the movies, aka highest level of canon, Kar would take him.

Right, when he never had a reason to move fast. When practically toying with Luke and actually fighting without ostentacious footwork in ROTJ.

Vader's never been slow, he moves at a completely normal pace and can break it down when he needs to. And if this be by the movies, then Vader wins by existing.

WTF? Vader wins by existing? That makes no sense.

No reason to move fast? That makes no sense either. What about with Obi-wan in 4, moving fast certainly would have helped.

If we go by the highest level of canon Kar doesn't exist.

And four...slow fighting. And because Lucas had no idea what saber duels would be like from then on.

Dude, read the forum canon policy and come back when you understand it.

Sorry, try again. Lucas not knowing what saber duels would look like is not a valid excuse.

Then pick an in-universe explanation...they preferred to conserve energy, they preferred a slow fight, whatever. Vader moves fast in the EU. Therefore he can move fast. Vader moves fast when butchering accomplished Jedi masters. Therefore, he can move fast.

And the creator of Star Wars changing his mind on things? THAT'S never happened before.

We see Vader move very fast in ESB when he gets ticked off.

Good enough for me. Purge is as canon as anything else.

Prove your in-universe explanation then. Until then, it doesn't mean jack-didily.

Again, not a valid excuse.

They preferred a slow fight. Good as anything. You're clinging to this when we see Vader move faster in the next movies?

Originally posted by Razielim
We see Vader move very fast in ESB when he gets ticked off.

Good enough for me. Purge is as canon as anything else.

Maybe you should watch ESB again. He doesn't move nearly as fast as or as well as others.

You mean 'he moved without CGI'
Point's still moot as against Luke he didn't need to move fast. And since he walked away from the first fight and Obi-wan died, the point is just as moot. We still see him moving fast in the EU

Originally posted by Captain REX
Vader...superior knowledge of the Dark Side, and I'd say vastly more powerful. *shrug*

Agree I do

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You mean 'he moved without CGI'
Point's still moot as against Luke he didn't need to move fast. And since he walked away from the first fight and Obi-wan died, the point is just as moot. We still see him moving fast in the EU

It still doesn't override the movie, nor is your explanation sufficient.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
They preferred a slow fight. Good as anything. You're clinging to this when we see Vader move faster in the next movies?

PROVE your theory, not make up more BS explanations that don't mean anything.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
When...?

Conclave at Kessel

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Maybe you should watch ESB again. He doesn't move nearly as fast as or as well as others.

A) Read Purge.
B) Read Rise of Darth Vader.

I'm sure there're other comics, such as Crimson Empire, that also credit Vader's speed.

That's great. And your personal opinion will change nothing: He has been demonstrated to move extremely fast and in the EU there was never a reason for him to speed up. Did he kill Obi-wan? Did he beat Luke in eSB?

Unless he lost, proof enough. And your opinion doesn't override canon

Originally posted by Faunus
A) Read Purge.
B) Read Rise of Darth Vader.

I'm sure there're other comics, such as Crimson Empire, that also credit Vader's speed.

I have read RODV. Infact, I was probably the first guy on the forum to do so (finished it six hours after it first came out).

And they still don't override that fast that he is slow in the movies. Furthermore, Vader considered himself clumsy in RODV.

Originally posted by Faunus
A) Read Purge.
B) Read Rise of Darth Vader.

I'm sure there're other comics, such as Crimson Empire, that also credit Vader's speed.

Praise God

That's before twenty years of training when he was toying with people with flawless offense and defense. That clumsy Vader was still good enough to take on eight masters in Purge