Lor Pelek(kar vastor) vs (ESB)Vader

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sure... GL must have made a mistake when he told us that Mace OVERPOWERED Sidious.

GL also says Sidious was faking.

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Originally posted by Xepeyon
Gotta face the facts(though GL contradicts himself alot). GL stated that Mace defeated Palps fair-and-square. And Sidious didn't fear Yoda, at least it's not stated. The only person, Sidious ever feared was Luke Skywalker, and that was only about what he thought Luke COULD HAVE become.

In the ROTJ novel, Luke just mentions Yodas name and it is stated Sidious felt fear.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
GL also says Sidious was faking.

When?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
When?

In the commentary, the same place you got your quote.

Look at the comentary

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
In the commentary, the same place you got your quote.

Line please.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
In the ROTJ novel, Luke just mentions Yodas name and it is stated Sidious felt fear.

By that time, Yoda was weaponless and senile. His fear is dumbfounded. It would be like a King fearing his elementary school bully. Even if Yoda FAR surpassed the Emperor, he would never be able to reach him. Nevertheless, his "Fear" is in writing. Your right.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Line please.

Gosh Glentract, your going to make me get off my lazy ass and watch the commentary again? Just look it up yourself if you need absolute proof.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Gosh Glentract, your going to make me get off my lazy ass and watch the commentary again? Just look it up yourself if you need absolute proof.

No. If you want to make a statement it is YOUR job to provide proof, not mine.

He saying he wants you to look it up for yourself so you can see it with your own eyes, because you obviously aren't going to take his word.

Of course I'm not going to take his word for it. He's crap dispenser most of the time.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Of course I'm not going to take his word for it. He's crap dispenser most of the time.

Erm no, you pull things out of your ass far more often than I do Glentract. I'll go watch the commentary now, you pushed me to do it.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Erm no, you pull things out of your ass far more often than I do Glentract. I'll go watch the commentary now, you pushed me to do it.

Is that so? Tell me about a few times.

GL says Palpatine 'pretended to lose his power'. There you go Glentract.

Just because he pretended to lose his power doesn't mean that he didn't lose to Mace. It's obvious that he was faking having lost all power, as he was still able to knock Mace out of the window with Anakin's help.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Just because he pretended to lose his power doesn't mean that he didn't lose to Mace. It's obvious that he was faking having lost all power, as he was still able to knock Mace out of the window with Anakin's help.

If Palpatine didnt lose all his power, then how could Mace have defeated him? The answer: He wasnt defeated, he was just playing Anakin to get him to turn to the dark side.

Do you know anything about fighting? Someone can have beaten me and overpowered me and have effectively won the fight, but if I get the chance, I can still jump up and push him out the window, even though the guy had beaten me. Get the picture?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Do you know anything about fighting? Someone can have beaten me and overpowered me and have effectively won the fight, but if I get the chance, I can still jump up and push him out the window, even though the guy had beaten me. Get the picture?

If you still have the ability to win the fight, then you havent lost.

So Yoda dident lose since he still had the "Ability" to win the fight?
Pathetic. Sidious lost that fight, In every fight when you put someone on their ass YOU win.