Lor Pelek(kar vastor) vs (ESB)Vader

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
So Yoda dident lose since he still had the "Ability" to win the fight?
Pathetic. Sidious lost that fight, In every fight when you put someone on their ass YOU win.

Yoda ran away, he didnt have the ability to win the fight any longer. Sidious did not lose the fight, because he could of got back up and pwned Mace any time he wanted to. He was just trying to manipulate Anakin.

Pwned Mace when he wanted to? He was backed up in a corner with a lightsaber pointed at his throat. Doesnt sound like he would have pwned mace at that point.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Pwned Mace when he wanted to? He was backed up in a corner with a lightsaber pointed at his throat. Doesnt sound like he would have pwned mace at that point.

GL says that Sidious still had his power, he was just faking being weak. On top of that, Sidious also had a spare lightsaber in his robe he could of used if he needed it. (see Yoda vs Sidious)

Im sure Sidious would have been able to pull his spare saber out when Mace was ready to kill Sidious. If he made one move such as pulling out his lightsaber then he would die.

Point being Sidious lost the saber duel. He had his saber knocked out of his hands and put down on his ass. Mace won in that respect.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Im sure Sidious would have been able to pull his spare saber out when Mace was ready to kill Sidious. If he made one move such as pulling out his lightsaber then he would die.

Point being Sidious lost the saber duel. He had his saber knocked out of his hands and put down on his ass. Mace won in that respect.

Erm no. Honestly, a simple force push could of knocked back mace long enough for Sidious to do whatever he wants. The whole fight was a stage, if you just think about it logically, it was a perfectly executed plan by Sidious. It played on Anakins own beliefs and emotions to get him to turn to the dark side.

Without Anakin, Sidious lacked the power to defeat Mace. On his own, Sidious was defeated. Although he still had some power left, he could not have defeated Mace alone at that point.

When it came to the force itself? Sidious far outclassed Mace in that regard and force lightning is hardly the only thing he could do.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Erm no. Honestly, a simple force push could of knocked back mace long enough for Sidious to do whatever he wants. The whole fight was a stage, if you just think about it logically, it was a perfectly executed plan by Sidious. It played on Anakins own beliefs and emotions to get him to turn to the dark side.

Sure, and a simple snap of the wrist and Sidious would have no head. Seriously...Sidious had lost the "fight" at that point. Maybe he succeded in coverting anakin, but he lost the "fight" thats whats important.

Jedi like Mace don't kill unarmed prisoners

Until people like Sidious provoked them.

Believe me. Mace would have no problem killing sidious. If anakin dident come in at that instance then Mace would have finished him off. Jedi "like" Mace would kill unarmed prisoners.

Speculation. We know Palpatine had power left. If Mace tried anything, the lightning / deflection fight would resume with an undisclosed victor.

Saying "Palpatine would run out of energy and Mace will kill him" is just like saying "Mace wouldn't be able to hold the lightning any longer and be blasted out the window".

Erm...Palpatine wanted to convert Anakin, his SHATTERPOINT was "Palpatine trusts Anakin."

Mace meant to arrest Sidious and Sidious needed to put himself in jeopardy to force Anakin's hand. Personally, I firmly doubt Palp gave his all the first time around

Glentract is right. Kar would win, if they fought in the jungle, anyway. Outside of the jungle it is unknown.

Obi-Wan could have beaten Vader in ANH if he had wanted to. According to Lucas, Obi-Wan let Vader kill him so Luke could escape.

Vader was the last person to "stand up to 5 Jedi and Held his own"

Obi-Wan could have beaten Vader in ANH if he had wanted to.

Contradicted by the ANH novel.

According to Lucas, Obi-Wan let Vader kill him so Luke could escape.

Source please. And this has nothing to do with Obi being superior to Vader.

and yes, Vader does take on many Jedi while getting used to the suit.

Apparently, they were all Jedi masters too.

In a Normal battle Palpy would force push mace out of the Window as he did in the comic

i like how her lightsaber changes from green to purple

Source please. And this has nothing to do with Obi being superior to Vader.

Look at that comic. They're 8 Jedi, Not all of them attack him at once. The First jedi who attacks him sucks and is as stupid as TPM Anakin, so, naturally, she gets pwnd. Next Vader fights two okay Jedi at once, pushes a third back with ease. Then he fights one pretty strong Jedi one on one (what the hell were the others doing?). That one Jedi manages to disarm Vader before getting extremely overconfident and also she doesn't know that Vader's really strong even without a blade, so he picks her up and snaps her neck. There goes two Jedi. Next just 3 of the 6 Jedi attack Vader while the other 3 stand there and watch. Vader kills one of them, then the five remaining Jedi fight him at once and he loses. Then he pretends to surrender and some cocky bastard Jedi kills Bultar Swan (4 Jedi left), attacks Vader and dies due to extreme overconfidence. Then they're's only 3 left and they beat Vader, he has to get his ass saved by Clones.

So really, it's not that great of an acclompishment, the only time he kills Jedi is when they're really overconfident or when they don't all attack him at once. When Vader fights five of them at once he loses, plus the three strongest of the 8 get killed not by Vader, but by Clones.

Apparently, they were all Jedi masters too.

That is not a Padawan Braid its too big

Says who/what? The first one he killed had a braid.

He refers to them as "My Masters". You don't refer to a Padawn as a Master when you're a Dark Lord of the Sith.

Two are referred to as "Master ______" at the beginning of the comic, and the other three are clearly Masters.

It's really the fact that he managed to keep up with 5, (One being Choi in the air, and the other big guy along with the three) at once. It's really hard to kill targets when you're outnumbered.