Lor Pelek(kar vastor) vs (ESB)Vader

But Obi Didn't What Proof have You that Kar can Shrug it off

And he'll do this...how exactly? Vader's force strength far exceeds Kar and Kar's not exactly mr. Well trained Jedi

Kar is a force user of high power. Mace stated that his potential was next to Yoda's, Force-wise he's near or on par with Vader, and far superior in melee combat.

And Anakin's potential was....off the charts?

Before Mustafar. After, he was weak.

sERIOSLY dOUBT ITS True

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
sERIOSLY dOUBT ITS True

I don't give a **** what you seriously doubt. Just because you doubt it doesn't make it untrue.

Weak, nothing. He lost a bit, but he was still a power house

He lost half of his potential. Afterwords he had less power then Yoda.

Kar is Not as Strong as You percieve Vader will not need to choke all he needs to do is break his neck

Because having less power than freaking YODA is a detriment

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
Kar is Not as Strong as You percieve Vader will not need to choke all he needs to do is break his neck

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Prove up.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because having less power than freaking YODA is a detriment

It is when Kar's power was said to be on the level of Yoda's, yeah.

His potential, there's a difference

How will he resist something fully trained Force Users cannot

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
How will he resist something fully trained Force Users cannot

He's stronger the fully trained force-users. That's how.

His potential, there's a difference

He'd already achieved enough to be up there with Mace, who defeated Sidious. Could Vader defeat Sidious as well?

If Sidious was in the Senate Arena He would own Mace

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
He's stronger the fully trained force-users. That's how.

[b]His potential, there's a difference

He'd already achieved enough to be up there with Mace, who defeated Sidious. Could Vader defeat Sidious as well? [/B]

Mace didnt defeat Sidious. It was a game, Sidious has no respect for Mace at all. Yoda is the only one Sidious truly feared, that is self-evident from the movies.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Mace didnt defeat Sidious. It was a game, Sidious has no respect for Mace at all. Yoda is the only one Sidious truly feared, that is self-evident from the movies.

Sure... GL must have made a mistake when he told us that Mace OVERPOWERED Sidious.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Mace didnt defeat Sidious. It was a game, Sidious has no respect for Mace at all. Yoda is the only one Sidious truly feared, that is self-evident from the movies.

Gotta face the facts(though GL contradicts himself alot). GL stated that Mace defeated Palps fair-and-square. And Sidious didn't fear Yoda, at least it's not stated. The only person, Sidious ever feared was Luke Skywalker, and that was only about what he thought Luke COULD HAVE become.