Originally posted by FFVII Zack FairI have played both crisis core and FF7. I dont understand how you came to that after reading my post but whatever...It is clearly stated in the game that it was only the 8 or 9 SeeD initiates dispatched to quell the invasion. Dollet's army had retreated. Thats canon. As for the other ships I don't know. They are probably logistics or personnel people, as we in the Air Force would call it lol
You've obviously never played Crisis Core or FFVII.In Crisis Core, Zack and Angeal Took down Wutai completely. Zack did it mainly on his own. This was only a test for him to become a 1st class.
And that invasion you are talking about in FFVIII looks like it had a ton more people than just 8. There were way too many ships to just carry 8 SeeDs. And Squall and his friends were just infiltrating that place. It obviously wasn't easy if they sent "the masters" of the gun blade.
Looks like you're morw biased as I am
Good point about Zack and Angeal taking down wutai completely, but that only solidifies my standpoint that Squall could have easily done that too. Squall is hands down better than any 8 or 9 SeeD initiates, better than any full fledged SeeD, hell he is concidered Legendary in his field. Much like Sephiroth is in his respective force.
If Cid felt completly comfortable in 8 or 9 SeeD initiates stopping a small invasion, (even if they had a little help or not), it should come as no surprise that Squall could probably do it alone...
Originally posted by Pyron KnightNot only is it stupid....it's completely logical....
Also to the earlier poster, the only reason Squall is superhuman is because of the GFs. So...singling out Cloud is only usperhuman because of the Jenova Cells is pretty stupid.
Originally posted by Pyron KnightShow me one attack Cloud has in FF7 that can compare to Squall's LionHeart in FF8. If we were judging these two on only their games alone, it would be no contest Squall in terms of power. Squall has downed greater enemies than Cloud, and has greater attacks. I've seen nothing that Cloud can do in FF7, that Squall can't do in FF8....just sayin lol
Tell me, when has Squall shown supersonic reaction times? When did she show he could be could withstand being knocked through steel by a Class 40+ character and still be able to fight?
That's right, never.
The only arguements that I see most of you people have is coming from expansions of FF7, (advent children, crisis core etc.). If Squall was given his own spinoffs, such as a fully CG movie I'm sure he'd easily be on the same level as Cloud, if not better.
Originally posted by IndridCold
The only arguements that I see most of you people have is coming from expansions of FF7, (advent children, crisis core etc.). If Squall was given his own spinoffs, such as a fully CG movie I'm sure he'd easily be on the same level as Cloud, if not better.
Something tells me this point gets overlooked.... again.
Originally posted by IndridCold
Good point about Zack and Angeal taking down wutai completely, but that only solidifies my standpoint that Squall could have easily done that too. Squall is hands down better than any 8 or 9 SeeD initiates, better than any full fledged SeeD, hell he is concidered Legendary in his field. Much like Sephiroth is in his respective force.If Cid felt completly comfortable in 8 or 9 SeeD initiates stopping a small invasion, (even if they had a little help or not), it should come as no surprise that Squall could probably do it alone...
Let's be fair, here, Indridcold. You say that the fact that Zack can take out armies by himself somehow solidifies the point that Squall can to? How? The only way it would do that is if you were presupposing that Squall was stronger than Zack, and presuppositions are never good.
While Zack has shown to take out armies practically by himself, Squall has never done so. You can only reach that conclusion by assuming that Squall could have done the job alone, and that needs a little bit more support than "Squall is just so much better than everyone else, it would take more than 8 or 9 other people to do what he can alone." That may or may not be true, but it needs more support. Has Squall ever done something by himself that a group of seeds couldn't? Make special note of the "by himself" requirement. I don't remember the game well enough.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Let's be fair, here, Indridcold. You say that the fact that Zack can take out armies by himself somehow solidifies the point that Squall can to? How? The only way it would do that is if you were presupposing that Squall was stronger than Zack, and presuppositions are never good.While Zack has shown to take out armies practically by himself, Squall has never done so. You can only reach that conclusion by assuming that Squall could have done the job alone, and that needs a little bit more support than "Squall is just so much better than everyone else, it would take more than 8 or 9 other people to do what he can alone." That may or may not be true, but it needs more support. Has Squall ever done something by himself that a group of seeds couldn't? Make special note of the "by himself" requirement. I don't remember the game well enough.
Any SeeD member or student are far stronger than any G-Soldier, check their Scan, it reveals they are nowhere as strong as any of the SeeD members. The Galbadian Soldiers kicked the Dollet's army asses. Seifer took several G-Soldiers by himself and they were running away near the Communication Tower, no to mention that is the first Disc of the game. Squall is by far the strongest of all the SeeDs. So Indridcold's argument sounds pretty much plausible to me. Squall could take armies by himself.
Zack couldn't take an army by himself, if I recall correctly, he was beaten, and it was at the end of Crisis Core.
Originally posted by TacDaveySay what you want, it is not an unfair assessment. Let me explain a little further. If Cid felt comfortable letting 8 or 9 initiates stop the invasion, it's fair to say it would could have taken less actual SeeD's to do it, say 3 or 4. Concidering Squall is the best of the best bar none, it is not illogical to assume Squall could probably do it himself. I don't see how that's an unfair assessment at all.
Let's be fair, here, Indridcold. You say that the fact that Zack can take out armies by himself somehow solidifies the point that Squall can to? How? The only way it would do that is if you were presupposing that Squall was stronger than Zack, and presuppositions are never good.While Zack has shown to take out armies practically by himself, Squall has never done so. You can only reach that conclusion by assuming that Squall could have done the job alone, and that needs a little bit more support than "Squall is just so much better than everyone else, it would take more than 8 or 9 other people to do what he can alone." That may or may not be true, but it needs more support. Has Squall ever done something by himself that a group of seeds couldn't? Make special note of the "by himself" requirement. I don't remember the game well enough.
I'll give you the fact that it is an assumption, however assuming Squall can't do it merely because it has never happened is a bit naive given his track record. That would be like me standing in front of a speeding train and you assuming I'm going to live through it because it's never happened before.
Poor example I know, but I think you understand my point.
I think that was the last battle or something like it.
Quick edit: Nope that was a side challenge.
#2: Still had to be pretty impressive in that last battle compared to FF7's original ending where Zack gets shot down quite easily, so without the other stuff in the FF7 series Zack would've been seemingly handled quite easily.
Originally posted by IndridCold
Say what you want, it is not an unfair assessment. Let me explain a little further. If Cid felt comfortable letting 8 or 9 initiates stop the invasion, it's fair to say it would could have taken less actual SeeD's to do it, say 3 or 4. Concidering Squall is the best of the best bar none, it is not illogical to assume Squall could probably do it himself. I don't see how that's an unfair assessment at all.I'll give you the fact that it is an assumption, however assuming Squall can't do it merely because it has never happened is a bit naive given his track record. That would be like me standing in front of a speeding train and you assuming I'm going to live through it because it's never happened before.
Poor example I know, but I think you understand my point.
He sent those 8 or 9 for their exam.
Originally posted by SpadeKingI've probably played through the game 30+ times now and they never make a mention about how many troops there actually are. It's just stated that is a G-Army is mopping up troops in the mountain region and the initiates are to take out the rest of the G-Army still occupying Dollet.
It was more like a battalion than an army, If I remember it was exactly 1000 troops. Still it was impressive though despite the 3 different ways it happened haermm
Unless you know something I don't know or theres a NPC I missed or something that gives a specific mention to the numbers of Galbadians, I'm pretty sure it's never made mention of in game.
Originally posted by IndridCold
I've probably played through the game 30+ times now and they never make a mention about how many troops there actually are. It's just stated that is a G-Army is mopping up troops in the mountain region and the initiates are to take out the rest of the G-Army still occupying Dollet.Unless you know something I don't know or theres a NPC I missed or something that gives a specific mention to the numbers of Galbadians, I'm pretty sure it's never made mention of in game.
Nah I was talking about Zack's final battle that they constantly change with every new game/movie.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Nah I was talking about Zack's final battle that they constantly change with every new game/movie.
Then you have to tell to us from where you get it was 1000 troops.
As far as I know it was an army of the Shinra Infantry with weapons and some helicopters around the place.
Zack was beaten anyway.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
I think that was the last battle or something like it.Quick edit: Nope that was a side challenge.
#2: Still had to be pretty impressive in that last battle compared to FF7's original ending where Zack gets shot down quite easily, so without the other stuff in the FF7 series Zack would've been seemingly handled quite easily.
Though really in those death scenes it didn't seem near 1000 or above 100.
I over compensated and posted the entire thing 😐
But it starts at 4:55 where he fights the troops, they really don't even seem to reach 50, just well spread out to look like a lot. But that one he survives that encounter just to get sniped.