Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If Wolverine's adamantium bones absorbed the impact of the blows that's mean the inside of his bones are safe. The rest should be shreaded on his own skeleton like pushing a piece of cheese through a metal grate.
Agreed ... but that would cause Censorship problems wouldn't it ? 🙂
this is what always happens when someone tries to apply real world science and real world cause and effects to comicbooks. many things likely SHOULD happen to wolvie as a cl100 hits him. thing is . . . they don't. then we're left floundering for excuses. is yahman's explanation any less sensible than saying everything is pis or all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?
i don't think so. forget real world, look what the evidence on panel says.
Originally posted by leonidas
this is what always happens when someone tries to apply real world science and real world cause and effects to comicbooks. many things likely SHOULD happen to wolvie as a cl100 hits him. thing is . . . they don't. then we're left floundering for excuses. is yahman's explanation any less sensible than saying everything is pis or all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?i don't think so. forget real world, look what the evidence on panel says.
I agree with that but for discussions on the BOARD, not in comics characters should be shown at their best in vs matches and not some jabrony limp version against some characters because otherwise it wouldn't be fair.
Originally posted by leonidas
this is what always happens when someone tries to apply real world science and real world cause and effects to comicbooks. many things likely SHOULD happen to wolvie as a cl100 hits him. thing is . . . they don't. then we're left floundering for excuses. is yahman's explanation any less sensible than saying everything is pis or all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?i don't think so. forget real world, look what the evidence on panel says.
'all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?'
Exactly, the characters are in evident danger, why hold back? .... Instead of making up biased excuses that favour opinions, try and look at it from the writers perspective. In most cases there are reoccurring themes. 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?'Exactly, the characters are in evident danger, why hold back? .... Instead of making up biased excuses that favour opinions, try and look at it from the writers perspective. In most cases there are reoccurring themes. 🙂
cheers
Originally posted by grey fox
Midnighter anticipates Wolverine's attack , tenses up to move aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand........gets stabbed to death.Wolverines the best at what he does. And what he does is **** with the laws of comic book science.
But its not just Wolverine .... Its writers in general, no offense to them, but they are writing comics for a reason ! 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?'Exactly, the characters are in evident danger, why hold back? .... Instead of making up biased excuses that favour opinions, try and look at it from the writers perspective. In most cases there are reoccurring themes. 🙂
Alright but on the board in the VS forum I don't need a writers vision to see what has been done in the past🙂
I don't foresee Midnighter being able to put Wolverine down without use of something beyond his typical tools, maybe if he has a building collapse on him.
Originally posted by leonidas
this is what always happens when someone tries to apply real world science and real world cause and effects to comicbooks. many things likely SHOULD happen to wolvie as a cl100 hits him. thing is . . . they don't. then we're left floundering for excuses. is yahman's explanation any less sensible than saying everything is pis or all cl100s 'hold back' against a guy who could kill most with one well placed claw into the brain?i don't think so. forget real world, look what the evidence on panel says.
Full power hit from a guy who can lift 1000000000 tons shouldn't do less or equal damage to someone who can barely lift one. I just find it ridicolous to accept that a bullet can go through Wolverine, but something that is faster and more durable then a bullet doesn't...
And what do you do with the times that Class 100 punches work like they should? Disregard the realistic thing? We can of course choose majority, and I bet my ass that I can find more pictures of etc. Namor moving, breaking or affecting something far more durable and heavier then Wolverine with full power punches then not affecting something like that.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Full power hit from a guy who can lift 1000000000 tons shouldn't do less or equal damage to someone who can barely lift one. I just find it ridiculous to accept that a bullet can go through Wolverine, but something that is faster and more durable then a bullet doesn't...And what do you do with the times that Class 100 punches work like they should? Disregard the realistic thing? We can of course choose majority, and I bet my ass that I can find more pictures of etc. Namor moving, breaking or affecting something far more durable and heavier then Wolverine with full power punches then not affecting something like that.
'Full power hit from a guy who can lift 1000000000 tons shouldn't do less or equal damage to someone who can barely lift one. I just find it ridiculous to accept that a bullet can go through Wolverine, but something that is faster and more durable then a bullet doesn't...'
No... the character/metal is absorbing the concussive force. Therefore it has to work harder when facing a Class 100 punch, but very few characters, if any, can punch through the adamantium. Mate there is little point in applying half ass science to the scenario, because writers rarely ever do !
'And what do you do with the times that Class 100 punches work like they should? Disregard the realistic thing? We can of course choose majority, and I bet my ass that I can find more pictures of etc. Namor moving, breaking or affecting something far more durable and heavier then Wolverine with full power punches then not affecting something like that.'
This is all based on writers interpretation, but i doubt there are ANY incidents when a totally realistic Shock wave/collateral damage effect has been illustrated. 🙂
Originally posted by Soleran
Alright but on the board in the VS forum I don't need a writers vision to see what has been done in the past🙂I don't foresee Midnighter being able to put Wolverine down without use of something beyond his typical tools, maybe if he has a building collapse on him.
I agree, but, like usual, the topic has strayed away from the original debate. Leo, Darkcrawler and I am now debating about a slightly diffrenet subject. 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'Full power hit from a guy who can lift 1000000000 tons shouldn't do less or equal damage to someone who can barely lift one. I just find it ridiculous to accept that a bullet can go through Wolverine, but something that is faster and more durable then a bullet doesn't...'No... the character/metal is absorbing the concussive force. Therefore it has to work harder when facing a Class 100 punch, but very few characters, if any, can punch through the adamantium. Mate there is little point in applying half ass science to the scenario, because writers rarely ever do !
What if he was punched somewhere where there is no adamantium...?
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'And what do you do with the times that Class 100 punches work like they should? Disregard the realistic thing? We can of course choose majority, and I bet my ass that I can find more pictures of etc. Namor moving, breaking or affecting something far more durable and heavier then Wolverine with full power punches then not affecting something like that.'This is all based on writers interpretation, but i doubt there are ANY incidents when a totally realistic Shock wave/collateral damage effect has been illustrated. 🙂
Sure there are.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5364/namorfeat177fq.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/886/namorfeat973kv.gif
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor21dj.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815313047.gif&s=x11
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90% of those aren't even his full power punches.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What if he was punched somewhere where there is no adamantium...?Sure there are.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5364/namorfeat177fq.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/886/namorfeat973kv.gif
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor21dj.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815313047.gif&s=x11
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif90% of those aren't even his full power punches.
With exception of the Hulk fight, all the scans kind of prove my point. Where the character punches the object directly, damage is caused, but in most cases it isn't a realistic depiction of Namors scientific strength. In the cases where Namor has hit characters, not nearly enough realistic shock wave/collateral damage is caused to the surrounding environment.
The Hulk and Namor fight does gives a realistic depiction of the forces produced, but note that this fight has been drawn by one artist. Just because he's decided to emphasise the scientifically plausible power of the two characters, doesn't contradict the fact that most other artists tend to ignore this.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
With exception of the Hulk fight, all the scans kind of prove my point. Where the character punches the object directly, damage is caused, but in most cases it isn't a realistic depiction of Namors scientific strength. In the cases where Namor has hit characters, not nearly enough realistic shock wave/collateral damage is caused to the surrounding environment.The Hulk and Namor fight does gives a realistic depiction of the forces produced, but note that this fight has been drawn by one artist. Just because he's decided to emphasise the scientifically plausible power of the two characters, doesn't contradict the fact that most other artists tend to ignore this.
If he isn't hitting them with full force punch, it's realistic. I doubt that he would unleash a Hulk-knocking-island-quivering punch on every villain and thing he fights...the guys/objects are durable enough to take the punch without shattering but still move by the force of punch...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If he isn't hitting them with full force punch, it's realistic. I doubt that he would unleash a Hulk-knocking-island-quivering punch on every villain and thing he fights...the guys/objects are durable enough to take the punch without shattering but still move by the force of punch...
Think about it D.C. !!!!!!! youre suggesting that when he hits everyone else except the Hulk (In that one example) he's using literally 0.001 of his full strength ? That totally illogical ! 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Leo, Darkcrawler and I am now debating about a slightly diffrenet subject. 🙂
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"Think about it D.C. !!!!!!! youre suggesting that when he hits everyone else except the Hulk (In that one example) he's using literally 0.001 of his full strength ? That totally illogical !"
Its a comic and its a strong showing, something that DC has been illustrating for use on this board now for sometime. I'm sorry earlier you were attempting to throw science out the window for comics but now you want to use logic in your disucssions🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Think about it D.C. !!!!!!! youre suggesting that when he hits everyone else except the Hulk (In that one example) he's using literally 0.001 of his full strength ? That totally illogical ! 🙂
Him punching everything with full strength...now thats illogical.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Full power hit from a guy who can lift 1000000000 tons shouldn't do less or equal damage to someone who can barely lift one. I just find it ridicolous to accept that a bullet can go through Wolverine, but something that is faster and more durable then a bullet doesn't...And what do you do with the times that Class 100 punches work like they should? Disregard the realistic thing? We can of course choose majority, and I bet my ass that I can find more pictures of etc. Namor moving, breaking or affecting something far more durable and heavier then Wolverine with full power punches then not affecting something like that.
you seem to be insisting that wolvie's durability is an issue. he has proven quite conclusively to be enormously resistant to injury. his strength level is independent of his durability so i'm not sure i see your comparison dc. and don't forget -- recently even THOR has been ko'd by a bullet!
as for the 'realistic hits'. there is an undeniable conflict there. perhaps wolverine instinctively rolls with hits? perhaps his adamantium is absorbing some of the shock and his healing does the rest? spidey deals with similar issues. as does batman. as do most street levellers when they fight cl100 opponents. it just doesn't make sense to ignore what is on panel time and time again. as a result we are forced to try and fashion some all-encompassing explanation to explain it.
yahman's right about one thing -- it's a comic book. the only evidence in that sens eis what we see consistently in comics. explain it however you'd like. it doesn't change what has happened time and time again.
