Midnighter vs Wolverine

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'd hold back if I was him...Namor's not a killer. You truly are suggesting that he would punch etc. Daredevil with his full strength?

Him punching everything with full strength...now thats illogical.

Since when where we talking about Dare Devil? And since when has Dare Devil had an Adamantium skeleton/shield, healing factor or level 6 durability ? 😕

My previous post was referring to characters a lot more durable than Daredevil my friend, as where yours. Why change the focus ? 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Since when where we talking about Dare Devil? And since when has Dare Devil had an Adamantium skeleton/shield, healing factor or level 6 durability ? 😕

My previous post was referring to characters a lot more durable than Daredevil my friend, as where yours. Why change the focus ? 🙂

Doubt that he would punch a small, hairy man with full strength either. At their first meeting, he didn't know who Wolverine was (hence not clearly unleashing his all strength at him, he was basically on defensive for the first few pages), and at their second meeting, he was depicted as a retarted pacifist who was struggling to lift a half a ton girder anyway, so he was pretty much holding back.

Originally posted by Soleran
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"Think about it D.C. !!!!!!! youre suggesting that when he hits everyone else except the Hulk (In that one example) he's using literally 0.001 of his full strength ? That totally illogical !"

Its a comic and its a strong showing, something that DC has been illustrating for use on this board now for sometime. I'm sorry earlier you were attempting to throw science out the window for comics but now you want to use logic in your disucssions🙂

Mate don't get me started on the subject of rationality and logistics and its association with science. Most philosophers (inculding Plato, Kant and Hick) would suggest that the two are quite indifferent of each other. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Doubt that he would punch a small, hairy man with full strength either. At their first meeting, he didn't know who Wolverine was (hence not clearly unleashing his all strength at him,.

But the writer knew ! 😉 Its not my fault he didn't take realistic perspective of the incident. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Mate don't get me started on the subject of rationality and logistics and its association with science. Most philosophers (inculding Plato, Kant and Hick) would suggest that the two are quite indifferent of each other. 🙂

It doesn't matter, the point is that its not the tool I am mocking its the idea of its use in comics is what I am laughing at. Your way to justify is silly and I am not so much talking about the comics in as much as how they are applied to use on the forum.😱

Hulk survives a nuclear explosion at ground zero and yet Wolverine is some sort of threat to him etc etc

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
But the writer knew ! 😉 Its not my fault he didn't take realistic perspective of the incident. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And, as Namor didn't know who the hell Wolverine is according to continuity, writer wrote him and artist depicted him as clearly holding back (trying to tie him with ropes, etc.)... 😕

Well he'd be crushing a lot of Wolverine fanboys hearts, if he had Namor punching him miles away, like a realistic depiction of his strength would demonstrate. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Well he'd be crushing a lot of Wolverine fanboys hearts, if he had Namor punching him miles away, like a realistic depiction of his strength would demonstrate. 🙂

He sure would. Unfortunately he's never used his full strength against Wolverine... 😉

Originally posted by Soleran
It doesn't matter, the point is that its not the tool I am mocking its the idea of its use in comics is what I am laughing at. Your way to justify is silly and I am not so much talking about the comics in as much as how they are applied to use on the forum.😱

Hulk survives a nuclear explosion at ground zero and yet Wolverine is some sort of threat to him etc etc

Now once again lets us ignore what Should scientifically happen, and concentrate on how Wolverine claws are generally depicted by artists and comic book writers.

Now look at it from my perspective:

His claws have cut off King Thor's arm b4. King Thor is generally accepted as more durable than the Hulk, and therefore his claws will penetrate him. If Sir Isaac Newton was writing comics, you'd probably find more realistic interpretation, of what would really happen. But the general creativity of the stories would probably amount to little more than stories about apples falling off trees, onto characters heads. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman

Now look at it from my perspective:

His claws have cut off King Thor's arm b4. King Thor is generally accepted as more durable than the Hulk, and therefore his claws will penetrate him. If Sir Isaac Newton was writing comics, you'd probably find more realistic interpretation, of what would really happen. But the general creativity of the stories would probably amount to little more than stories about apples falling off trees, onto characters heads. 🙂

Yeah ok and we have seen Captain America knock him around and out as well I wouldn't say that puts his durability up there with Hulk's, I would call those PIS showings.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He sure would. Unfortunately he's never used his full strength against Wolverine... 😉

My point is, he would only have to use a tiny fraction of his strength, to achieve this. I'm talking about .001 of his full strength !

Why would he be using such a small fraction, when he could easily use more, without killing Wolverine. 😕 🙂

Originally posted by Soleran
Yeah ok and we have seen Captain America knock him around and out as well I wouldn't say that puts his durability up there with Hulk's, I would call those PIS showings.

So Cap is more powerful than a Nuke, cos King Thor has survived nukes on two occasions. Oh yeah and the Destroyers disintergrator beam. 😕

Once again another example of the writers ignoring the effects of real science .... I suggest you two do the same !!!!! 🙂

Or maybe King Thor was just letting Cap push him over because he wasn't taking the scenario seriously ? 😕 🙄

I would call those PIS showings.

Once again the rules for the vs forum, they are your friend.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
My point is, he would only have to use a tiny fraction of his strength, to achieve this. I'm talking about .001 of his full strength !

Why would he be using such a small fraction, when he could easily use more, without killing Wolverine. 😕 🙂

Because he isn't aware of how durable Wolverine is? I don't know why writers and artists depicted him using a fraction of his powers, but he clearly is. ✅

Originally posted by Soleran
I would call those PIS showings.

Once again the rules for the vs forum, they are your friend.

Do these rules state, if not enough realistic damage is inflicted upon the environment by the characters punch, then punch in question, is not at full strength ?

Or does it say that the events are disregarded due to PIS.

If that is the case ,then ALL fights should be regarded as PIS, which is ludicrous. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because he isn't aware of how durable Wolverine is? I don't know why writers and artists depicted him using a fraction of his powers, but he clearly is. ✅

So when ever anyone with Class 100 strength has punched wolverine, they have only used 0.001 of their strength ?

Wooow its seems like all Class 100 characters are morons ! 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Do these rules state, if not enough realistic damage is inflicted upon the environment by the characters punch, then punch in question, is not at full strength ?

Twist and spiral, I posted the rule for you on a previous page. You seem like an intelligent enough chap. Read it again and draw your own conclusion.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
So when ever anyone with Class 100 strength has punched wolverine, they have only used 0.001 of their strength ?

Wooow its seems like all Class 100 characters are morons ! 🙂

I guess, if it's moronic to avoid killing people. And I am not saying that he's supposed to go fly miles in every issue...SOMETHING must be sacrificed for a story...but Class 100 punches should hurt him way more if they are truly full power punches (which they usually aren't).

Him taking Class 100 punch like it is Class 1 punch = not realistic. And only time I have seen him take a punch like that from Hulk is when he was Death...

If Namor's punches didn't do any more damage then a punch from someone like Daredevil/Spider-Man/Captain America, he's holding back. Like both issues clearly show.

Originally posted by Soleran
Twist and spiral, I posted the rule for you on a previous page. You seem like an intelligent enough chap. Read it again and draw your own conclusion.

Sorry mate, i cant find it, you'll have to post it again. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I guess, if it's moronic to avoid killing people. And I am not saying that he's supposed to go fly miles in every issue...SOMETHING must be sacrificed for a story...but Class 100 punches should hurt him way more if they are truly full power punches (which they usually aren't).

Him taking Class 100 punch like it is Class 1 punch = not realistic. And only time I have seen him take a punch like that from Hulk is when he was Death...

If Namor's punches didn't do any more damage then a punch from someone like Daredevil/Spider-Man/Captain America, he's holding back. Like both issues clearly show.

Agreed, this shouldn't be the case, but its likely to be casued by writers lack of scientific knowledge. 🙂