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Originally posted by Nephthys
Surprisingly, I agree. If we could not start insulting religion that would be great.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
"Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing" -Psalm 139:16

^^ DNA?

Aren't DNA a set of codes/information that make up who we are as individuals? It seems very likely that our codes were writting by an intelligent source (God) rather than by an unitelligent source. If I went to a remote island and seen "Sidious66" carved on a stone, I wouldn't assume that the information got there by accident. Same way with DNA, I do not believe it happened to write itself, which is why I believe in a creator

If you do not believe in God then that is your choice and right. You probably have reasons why you don't believe in him, just like others, such as myself, have reasons why they do believe in him. But when you compare one's belief in God to believing in a invisible pink unicorn, you come off as insulting.

Sidious, there are many and varied reasons why inscriptions into a stone and patterns in DNA are different cases of "information." Ultimately, though, there are billions upon billions of dollars that are based on your being wrong and scientists being right. In terms of real-world-proof, I'm going to stick with the method that has made people money by being effective and right.

I'd be happy to point you toward some sources that integrate Christian belief and the scientific fact of evolution into a consistent worldview, if you're interested.

Originally posted by Zampanó
I'd be happy to point you toward some sources that integrate Christian belief and the scientific fact of evolution into a consistent worldview, if you're interested.

Or as I call these sources, Those Who Do Not Regard Every Single Word in The Bible As Absolute Literal Truth Yes They Actually Walk Among Us and Are Often Despised by Their Fellow Christian Because To Suggest That The Bible is A BOOK Not Written Literally Yes There's That Word Again By God Himself Somehow Contradicts The Other Times Those Other Orthodox Christians Say That God Didn't Write The Book Personally PS Obama Is The Antichrist.

Or, TWDNRESWTBALTYTAWAUAODTFCBTSTTBABNWLYTTWABGHSCTOTTOOCSTGDWTBPPSOITA for short.

(A more damning indictment of morality found within the Old Testament, specifically, is that it endorses or dictates slavery in many different places, while our own sense of morality is disgusted by the idea of slavery at all.

Christopher Hitchens has a detailed examination of the Israelites treatment of the Caananites but I can't remember the details and refuse to get references for an online debate anymore.

Well, he did...

Like Zamp has said, believing in God is the same as beliving in an invisible pink unicorn. Neither can be proven, nor disproven.

Religion helps people put purpose to their lives. Why are they here? To do -insert deity's work- ect. It's not meant to explain how we got here, that has been solved with evolution.

Religion - Why are we here. (For religious people.)
Science - How we got here.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Like Zamp has said, believing in God is the same as beliving in an invisible pink unicorn. Neither can be proven, nor disproven.

Religion helps people put purpose to their lives. Why are they here? To do -insert deity's work- ect. It's not meant to explain how we got here, that has been solved with evolution.

Religion - Why are we here. (For religious people.)
Science - How we got here.

Except science doesn't explain how we got here. Evolution doesn't do that. It doesn't explain how something as complex as life came about in the first place.

And the Big Bang theory doesn't explain how the Universe is in such perfect order.

Or what there was before the Universe? Or what began the Big Bang?

And where did that come from?

When did Time start? How did time start? Time goes on for infinity doesn't it?

So actually science doesn't explain much at all.

Whilst belief in God makes most the answers to the above questions pretty simple.

Originally posted by Arhael

He happened to be jewish, she - muslim. I think there is no need to list all the possible consequences.
But aren't they both human? Aren't they both beings of the god? Why can't they be happy like everyone else?

I can't speak for Judaism but in Islam all humans are equal and anyone from any race and any social background can be a muslim, with no one having a higher rank in front of God.

But for the sake of their religious based goals and way of life they are strongly encouraged to marry other muslims.

Marriage is about more than just love. If your partner doesn't 100% support and believe in your goals, morals and attitude towards life in general, then expect a shaky marriage.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington

They can. Depends how devout they are to their religion. I will counter that example by pointing out that if both parties were devoted to their religion, even in the most basic sense, they wouldn't have even started dating outside of their religion. I wasn't ever remotely religious until this year and I've never in my life considered marrying outside the faith.

👆

A good point which most people completely miss.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Except science doesn't explain how we got here. Evolution doesn't do that. It doesn't explain how something as complex as life came about in the first place.

And the Big Bang theory doesn't explain how the Universe is in such perfect order.

Or what there was before the Universe? Or what began the Big Bang?

And where did that come from?

When did Time start? How did time start? Time goes on for infinity doesn't it?

So actually science doesn't explain much at all.

Whilst belief in God makes most the answers to the above questions pretty simple.

All of those questions can be applied to God as well.

Originally posted by Nephthys
All of those questions can be applied to God as well.

Well no that's the point. God isn't affected by the laws of this universe.

The whole concept is that God is an unlimited being with no need of anything. A being that exist's outside of time even.

One who was never created and will never be destroyed.

Of course that raises the issue of whether God is actually like that. Also thats a pretty big cop-out argument. You may as well say 'god is unknowable'.

Also your assumption is that only God can exist outside of time and space. All of our experience as been within those concepts, so we have no experience outside of them. Simply because causality applies to the known world, it does not necessarily apply to the universe at large.

You are also ignoring the concept of casual loops, which basically means that its possible that the universe exists in a state of predestination paradox, with neither beginning or end since one is the other.

Hooray for logic delivered straight from wikipedia!

You may as well say 'god is unknowable'.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course that raises the issue of whether God is actually like that. Also thats a pretty big cop-out argument. You may as well say 'god is unknowable'.

It's not a cop-out, it's what we believe.

The fact is everything we know of in this Universe, has a beginning and an end. Everything depends on other things.

So it's not a cop out to believe the only way it could have all started is if there is a Source to the Universe that has no beginning or end, that exists outside of the laws of this Universe, from where everything came into play.

We call that Source- God.

Others might believe it is just that loophole you explained. Which btw I have not ignored. My physics teacher back from school explained that one to me.

Thing with the loop is though, it still exists in time. So there must have been a starting point somewhere.

Time would still continue for the number of times the Universe has looped 🙂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Except science doesn't explain how we got here. Evolution doesn't do that. It doesn't explain how something as complex as life came about in the first place.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
He is lol.. At least that's how we define him.

But that just shuts down the whole discussion! How the hell can I respond to that!? >:C

Originally posted by Nephthys
But that just shuts down the whole discussion! How the hell can I respond to that!? >:C

Lol you don't have to respond to anything.

Im not trying to convince or preach to anyone. Just giving you the stance of people who believe in God..

.. And originally quoted to Ultimate Anomaly's post who claimed science explains how we are here but Religion does not.

South Park had it right. Can't God be the answer to Why, evolution be the answer to How?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
South Park had it right. Can't God be the answer to Why, evolution be the answer to How?

Nothing wrong with that, except Evolution hardly explains much. Evolution starts at the point when there are already alive and complex organisms around.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So you're saying the Miller-Urey experiment was a bust?

Ah but Miller and Urey began and designed the experiment. So who began and designed the Evolution of Life and of the Universe? 😛

No one. There's no need for an origin.