The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was just so lame. Revan goes and gets Canderous' wife killed, then goes and gets his ass kicked, gets rescued by the Exile and gets his ass kicked again and her killed. For a book titled after him it seems determined to portray him as a hillbilly with Force powers. Theres just no sense of epicness (by which I mean scope and grandior) to it, like there was in the kotor games.

It also suffers from the usual problem in Star Wars of trying to overshadow the previous stuff. Revan is the most powerfullest Force user the Exile has ever felt! Vitiate used a ritual even more devastating than Nihilus' drain, so powerful it even destroyed ****ing sound and color! Vitiate is so fawking powerful he killed his Sith Lord dad when he was ten and mind-dominated 100s of Sith Lords at once as an adult! Revan used the darkside and lightside together in their purest form! Its just laughable.

Beyond that its just poorly written. The Exiles death has as much emotional resonance as stubbing a toe. And lets not forget that Drew forgot to add an entire chapter. That guy is such a mediocre writer.

K.

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*Hammer B/O button*

Originally posted by Nephthys
I have no idea whats so appealling about Malgus. He seems pretty much a generic Badguy Sithdude to me.

That book sucks so much. There is no possible KoTOR 3. It was that book. Revan was Kotor ****ing 3 and it sucked.

Did you read the Malgus book? It was actually quite good.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So basically your average EU story.

K.

Yea, the less-good SW novels have... problems. I'm glad there's better EU stories out there than that.

Also this is why I like the comics- except for some of the early ones, Dark Horse is more sensible about stuff than the novel publisher.

Legacy? Force user on the edge of light and dark navigates a political landscape of multiple powers, some good and some bad, fighting it out.

KotoR comic? A Jedi student who's kinda a klutz suddenly finds himself targeted by his former masters and framed for the murder of his friends and fellow padawan, and meanwhile there's a Mandalorian invasion going on.

Knight Errant? Jedi on her own works to fight against the local Sith lords, one of whom's a nihilist, another believes no-one but him and possibly his 'opponent' (Satan to his God basically) exists.

Heck, even Invasion! Follow the Vong invasion from the eyes of two siblings, one of whom ends up with the Jedi and the other of whom is trying to help a batch of refugees from her home planet escape while also trying to convince local worlds to prepare themselves for the incoming invaders.

Not all of them are gold, but none of them go for the "And this Sith Lord/Darkside Entity is even more powerful than any you've seen before, just like the last one!"

another believes no-one but him and possibly his 'opponent' (Satan to his God basically) exists.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
I play TOR. Or used to. Unsubbed. Story is great and all, on some characters, but nothing will every replace a possible KoTOR 3. The only thing I really enjoyed that's come from TOR is Malgus. Because...

It's Malgus.

I'm still refusing to believe the Revan novel ever came out.

Originally posted by Zampanó
this looks fun. solipsism sith ftw

Yea, Daiman's fun, and I'm glad to say is the most focused on Sith in the series.

And it also has a genuinely formidable Hutt warlord in the second arc. "All hutts are hedonists. My pleasure happens to be combat."

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, Daiman's fun, and I'm glad to say is the most focused on Sith in the series.

And it also has a genuinely formidable Hutt warlord in the second arc. "All hutts are hedonists. My pleasure happens to be combat."

Originally posted by Arhael
Did you read comic before book? I am at beginning of second arc right now and so far book is not very intriguing, although there are some nice moments and author is really good with humor.

Yes. I will mention that part of the reason I stuck with it was because I head what the author was up to with the book, and the second arc is definitely superior to the first.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes. I will mention that part of the reason I stuck with it was because I head what the author was up to with the book, and the second arc is definitely superior to the first.

Yeah, the comics do indeed tend to be a lot better than the novels, plotwise.

Even when the comics aren't great, they're merely, y'know, not great. Never, "Why did you possibly think that could be a good idea?" or "Groooan, not again!".

Comics always tend to do better even when their bad because.. Well.. It's a comic, you know? Unlike a novel which has taken 6 months or so to get brought out, where as comic can get little bits out per week and see the reaction.

I suspect editors paying closer attention plays a large role too.

I think the problem is simpler in this case. In night errand there is no powerful beginning to captivate reader. Only slight flash back that she is a lone survivor and things build up very slowly. In first half of the book we mostly get description of main characters to understand their personalities.
For example in Deceived right from the beginning we are captivated by amazing battle scenes that involves two main characters, a lot of emotions and the drama that unfolds and serves as the driving plot.

I think a canon novel of each of the playable characters in TOR would be pretty interesting.

God I love Seven of Nine.

Voyager was the best Star Trek.

Theres so much wrong in that sentence I think I'm going to throw up in your mouth.

Voyager is the scabby, fly-ridden turd of the Star Trek franchise.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres so much wrong in that sentence I think I'm going to throw up in your mouth.

Voyager is the scabby, fly-ridden turd of the Star Trek franchise.

I'll grant that TNG was probably better on average, but a good Voyager episode is better than any good TNG episode.

Edit: Seven of Nine is prettier and smarter than you.
Edit2: And she doesn't suffer from the debillitating cankles your mother gave you, nor the neckbeard that's endemic to your kind.

No, Enterprise is the afterbirth of Star Trek.

Can you even name a good Voyager episode? All I know is the Thaw. Voyager as a whole sucked donkey willy. It had a good premise with the 2 opposing crews stuck in a hostile area and forced to work together to survive, but it never did anything with that. The Maquis storyline was done much better on TNG and DS9 and those episodes were done just to lead in to Voyager. Thats just pathetic. Oh, and Voyager also had the unique pleasure of utterly destroying the credibility of the Borg and Q, so kudos for that. 👆

A bad Voyager episode is worse than any bad TNG episode. Threshold anyone?

Seven of Nine is a good character yes, but her and the Doctor are Voyagers only good characters. The rest are hideous arse creatures.