The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Agreed with everyhting said here. imo though Reservoir Dogs was not on the same level as Pulp Fiction or Inglourious Basterds, it was really good and that opening was awesome but it felt a lot smaller in scale as far as the stuff that happens.

Have you people seen Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrells? Really awesome film, its kinda like the English Pulp Fiction.

Lock Stock, Snatch, and RocknRolla are all Guy Richie movies and are absolutely priceless.

Originally posted by jadams3928
Lock Stock, Snatch, and RocknRolla are all Guy Richie movies and are absolutely priceless.

Still havent seen RocknRolla but yeh his movies are amazing, Snatch is really good but Lock is def his best imo. It reminsd me of Pulp Fiction/Inglourious Basterds with how all these really loose plots come together in really funny and ironic ways, plus it has so many really awesome moments and bits of dialogue like Tarantinos films.

Also, did you guys see Cloud Atlas?

Originally posted by Zampanó
Also, did you guys see Cloud Atlas?

YES! I thought it was a fantastic film...and arguably one of the most ambitious adaptations ever.

It was pretty meh. A lot of problems with the narrative. And I swear they were ripping off a few other films.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It was pretty meh. A lot of problems with the narrative. And I swear they were ripping off a few other films.

Such as?

I thought CA was perfect. Everything they could've done to market/tailor the movie for my interests specifically, was done (and done quite well!)

Half-way through Traitor now.

My first impressions: Stover shines again and reaffirms my faith in him: he and Luceno are by far and without question the best that the EU has to offer (with the exception of Sean Stewart); Jacen is a compelling character; Nom Anor is arguably the best villain in the EU; Vergere is great but consistently reveals herself to be an annoying troll of the highest order, her erudition notwithstanding.

It's definitely a sublime character study.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Such as?
I actually made a list after I got out of the theatre. I remember Logan's Run, Soylent Green (that one was obviously intentional), and The Island. References and rip offs are fine, but the film's story felt really disjointed and incomplete.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Half-way through Traitor now.

My first impressions: Stover shines again and reaffirms my faith in him: he and Luceno are by far and without question the best that the EU has to offer (with the exception of Sean Stewart); Jacen is a compelling character; Nom Anor is arguably the best villain in the EU; Vergere is great but consistently reveals herself to be an annoying troll of the highest order, her erudition notwithstanding.

It's definitely a sublime character study.

Hmm. Best EU writers would be Sean Stewart, Michael P. Kube-McDowell, Walter Jon Williams, Greg Bear, Timothy Zahn and R.A. Salvatore.

Stewart is great, Williams is good, the rest are average. Zahn, in particular, overrated as hell in my book.

wheres the love 4 Kevin J Anderson and James Luceno?

Luceno is awesome. Anderson sucks.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I actually made a list after I got out of the theatre. I remember Logan's Run, Soylent Green (that one was obviously intentional), and The Island. References and rip offs are fine, but the film's story felt really disjointed and incomplete.

That's what I got, just from looking at the trailer.

I saw a hollow storyline, filled with shiny beautiful images - and Tom Hanks, who I've seen in practically every other film, so it made it appear cheesy and threw off the suspension of disbelief.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Luceno is awesome. Anderson sucks.

I'll drink to that.

Heaven knows, Kevin J. Anderson has ruined the new Dune novels, as well.

Originally posted by Rookwood
That's what I got, just from looking at the trailer.

I saw a hollow storyline, filled with shiny beautiful images - and Tom Hanks, who I've seen in practically every other film, so it made it appear cheesy and threw off the suspension of disbelief.

It's a really fun, good looking movie. But the stories are kinda... bleh. Jim Broadbent's storyline was the only one I gave a damn about.

The conceit is fascinating. The cosmology that develops is unique and meaningful, as is the aesthetic that accompanies it. And lesbihonest, Halle Berry is fun to look at.

F*ck yeah she is. She's like Catherine Zeta-Jones--even in their 40s, still smokin'.

This is one of the few times that I wish they would forget about the characters for a while and talk about the world they're in. But they never bother to explain the future worlds, or go in to any detail about the plot's overarching, eternal love theme. They were building up this love-bound storyline, as well as the Cloud Atlas music, and the "truth" or whatever... and then do nothing with them. They pretty much just say, "Yeah, stuff exists. Cool, huh?" A really flat, disappointing pay off. If you can call it a pay off.

In a case like this, there's not much I can say to change your opinion. But I would've thought that the entire point was to take a look at the ways that people keep hurting each other. We keep messing things up, and it's all very human of us. But the universe doesn't have to be that way; humanity keeps going and we always have the chance to do it right tomorrow. Eventually, sometimes, we get what we need.