Originally posted by Tzeentch
You've listed reasons for why you think the Xeno stuff is good.You have not compared and contrasted it to what Bioware's writing has brought to the table, which is what I asked you do.
I didn't think it needed saying that Bioware have never told a story as ambitious, creative or high brow as the stuff I was just describing.
I think you'll find I only used adverbs and alliteration bro.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Well you made that assertion, so obviously it does.Hop to it. Your long-winded praise of the Xeno games is meaningless in a vacuum. Provide context by comparing it to the Bioware games.
The assertion had initially been made before I made that post brosephine.
The comparison exists, it is simply implicit you gigantic fatso.
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
I would imagine the same would apply to 2 and 3 but I'll refrain from speaking about those as I haven't played them
Right, so this isn't even a conversation. You want to say soup is better than pasta sauce, having tried all of the soups and one of the sauces. It doesn't work out. LOL @ going from the series to the game you've played, though. Love that little maneuver.
We cannot even have a discussion. We seriously cannot.
Remember, you're the guy that went and said this...
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Xenogears, Xenosaga Episodes I-III and Xenoblade >>> anything Bioware or Obsidian have ever done
... having not played Bioware's flagship series.
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
I didn't think it needed saying that Bioware have never told a story as ambitious, creative or high brow as the stuff I was just describing.
Dude, when asked about what made it good you just regurgitated the plot at us. It was basically just a load of gobbledigook.
Also Fei and Elly's love story isn't that great. I mean, it's no Prince of Persia.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wow, I actually hadn't bothered to read that but having done so it actually does sound like shitty pretentious bollocks. I'd only gotten up to a certain point (some time after Id shows up) so I didn't know just how far up its own ass it got.Sorry Neb, but all that does sound pretty terrible. 😬
You can call it terrible all you want but it's pretty clear that there's a very ambitious, creative and clever mythology that colours the events of the entire game and adds a lot of substance to the world and the nature of humanity.
Naturally the game reveals that information in a much more interesting manner, and a lot of it isn't particularly clear, certainly not on a first playthrough.
As I said earlier, the game for the most part is a whirlwind of emotion and intrigue with interesting characters and great themes, and it slowly reveals such a multifaceted, clever mythology in a well paced manner throughout the story.
Originally posted by The Renegade
Right, so this isn't even a conversation. You want to say soup is better than pasta sauce, having tried all of the soups and one of the sauces. It doesn't work out. LOL @ going from the series to the game you've played, though. Love that little maneuver.We cannot even have a discussion. We seriously cannot.
Remember, you're the guy that went and said this...
... having not played Bioware's flagship series.
As I said to Stealth, those comments were made in jest. What I will say, though, is that there would have to be an absolute huge jump in quality from the first game to the rest of the series, for what I'm saying about 1 to not apply to 2 and 3. I cannot made definitive claims to the quality of 2 and 3, but I can make a somewhat accurate projection (being produced by the same people, ME1 on its own was viewed in a similarly favourable manner, ME3 if anything seems to be the most disliked of the series). I can listen to one album by Britney Spears, and say with 99% certainty that nothing she's ever made would ever hold a candle to the body of work produced by The Smiths for example. Certainly when album 2 wasn't that big a jump in critical reception, and album 3 was largely hated by the masses.
I don't see why we can't limit this discussion to 1 anyway, it was received in a comparably favourable manner to 2 and 3 and even though it was the start of a larger story it still told something of a self contained story that can be judged on its own merits.
Xenogears and Xenosaga probably do have better stories than the Mass Effect series though.
I mean ME's story is enjoyable, and has a lot of memorable, lovable characters, but does it really challenge the player by asking any difficult, thematically relevant questions, or provoke any sort of deeper thought? No, not really no. Not that I recall anyway.
ME is a great story by general gaming standards. Because gaming as a medium still tends toward pretty ****ing undeveloped stories.
Edit: Oh, Mass Effect is probably the better series though.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really.
To be fair Neph,
1. You only played like a fifth of the game.
2. You're commenting on stuff you didn't experience in the manner in which the storyline was designed for you to experience.
3. I'm guessing you watched a Let's Play, which is hugely different from playing the game.
4. I'm also guessing you went into it with the intention of looking for flaws/indication that it isn't all that great.
So I'd hardly call you impartial, or say you were in the best position to judge the game.
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
As I said to Stealth, those comments were made in jest. What I will say, though, is that there would have to be an absolute huge jump in quality from the first game to the rest of the series, for what I'm saying about 1 to not apply to 2 and 3. I cannot made definitive claims to the quality of 2 and 3, but I can make a somewhat accurate projection (being produced by the same people, ME1 on its own was viewed in a similarly favourable manner, ME3 if anything seems to be the most disliked of the series). I can listen to one album by Britney Spears, and say with 99% certainty that nothing she's ever made would ever hold a candle to the body of work produced by The Smiths for example. Certainly when album 2 wasn't that big a jump in critical reception, and album 3 was largely hated by the masses.I don't see why we can't limit this discussion to 1 anyway, it was received in a comparably favourable manner to 2 and 3 and even though it was the start of a larger story it still told something of a self contained story that can be judged on its own merits.
You really cannot. Consistently can be sharp in it's operation, as opposed to steady. You cannot say, or even REMOTELY "accurately project" because you have nothing.
I've played them all, including the Xeno series. My perspectives, judgment, analysis, and opinion are more valuable and accurate than yours right out of the gate. You cannot make comparisons due to a staunch lack of experience with one of the series that you're making comparisons to.
What people "largely hate" or what "critical reception" something receives doesn't change the composition and/or quality of a said work, especially not the former (ad populum much?) so you need to rethink how you, well, think.
Oh, in jest? I'd say that's a bad case of backpedalingitis. Get a prescription, yo!
Originally posted by NemeBro
Xenogears and Xenosaga probably do have better stories than the Mass Effect series though.I mean ME's story is enjoyable, and has a lot of memorable, lovable characters, but does it really challenge the player by asking any difficult, thematically relevant questions, or provoke any sort of deeper thought? No, not really no. Not that I recall anyway.
ME is a great story by general gaming standards. Because gaming as a medium still tends toward pretty ****ing undeveloped stories.
Edit: Oh, Mass Effect is probably the better series though.
WTF? 😑
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude, when asked about what made it good you just regurgitated the plot at us. It was basically just a load of gobbledigook.
Hardly. I covered maybe 1% of the plot (albeit it was a fundamental part of the mythology). What I did was explain how it cleverly structured the story around the themes it explored, which is what I had been talking about when you asked me to back up what I was saying.
Also Fei and Elly's love story isn't that great. I mean, it's no Prince of Persia.
lol