Exar Kun and DN Luke Vs Rots Sidious and ROts Yoda

Ok, direct statements by source material and novels is 'hyperbole?' No, sorry, all those are are facts. The facts say that is what Yoda is, I buy it. What's hyperbole ABOUT it? It's clear cut statements, so if you pull this hyperbole bullshit, explain why the official sources and writers are wrong, tell me how 'Yoda was the strongest' is an exagerration besides going against your opinion.

Though, Sidious is an exceptional duelist...Mace was one of the best fighters the Order ever produced, and he took out three more of the best in seconds. And Luke was described as having exceptional power, in the force and with a saber. And what's backing up Vodo's combatanant status exactly? We only ever saw him...fight Kun twice? Anything else?

But Kolar, Fisto and Tiin were all considered some of the greatest Jedi duelists of that time period.

Since everybody here worships Luke and Exar Kun Invented double bladed saber they rape them casually

Yes, indeed they were

Originally posted by Escape81
I consider Glentract and Lightsnake to be exceptional debators. As I said, I lack the mathmatical skills to comprehend Glentract's 'facts'. But that doesn't mean that they aren't true. So what? Glentract's a fine debator.

People dislike Lightsnake because he blasphemes the anti-Sidious environment. So screw the people who just dislike his opinion.

My problem is that this has become completely immature.

I agree.

People need to chill with the insults. But, some people can't present an argument without the phrase: "STFU n00b!" or posting some stupid picture with that statement on it.

Only truly skilled debators can present their arguments without insulting someone else. Insults prove that they have limited patience, and that they are narrow-minded. People who are narrow-minded shouldn't be debators. They defy logic, that way.

Originally posted by Escape81
People need to chill with the insults. But, some people can't present an argument without the phrase: "STFU n00b!" or posting some stupid picture with that statement on it.

Only truly skilled debators can present their arguments without insulting someone else. Insults prove that they have limited patience, and that they are narrow-minded. People who are narrow-minded shouldn't be debators. They defy logic, that way.

Originally posted by Master Fox
The fact that you resort to such petty insults shows how much of a troll you are and how weak your argument is.

I don't have to resort to insults as you can see my arguments are not weakened by taking them out. My arguments are backed by logic, scans, and everything between.

Weak? Yeah right, maybe in an alternate universe. If I throw around a name or two, so be it as long as I back up what I'm saying, which I do.

The fact all you can say is "bias!!/ fangirl!!/!!!eleven z0mg insultooor!!!" shows that you cannot refute anything logically.

A "troll" though? LOL. Did I get banned? No, that's Fox. Do I come back with multiple usernames? No, that's Fox. Do I constantly come up with nothing to back up my arguments? No, that's Fox.

the empire wins

Originally posted by e.l,m,t,i,(r k)
who gives a shit 😈 😈 💃 💃 😄

I do. People use the Internet as a method of being obnoxious. It's pathetic.

"Then tell me how he wasn't trying as hard as Kun. Because Kun initially wanted to recruit Vodo - hell, he was talking to him about it for the entire match up until he unleashed his double-bladed lightsaber. You call me bias? LOL. Shut up, noob and back up the claim.
Kun was trying to recruit Vodo, you dolt. I thought as much was obvious"

Kun was not trying to convert Vodo. It was all banter. Kun would never think that Vodo would turn to the darkside. To even think that Kun wasn't trying as hard as Vodo is completely ridiculous. The jedi trying harder then the sith? Are you mad? You also forgot to include the bit where Vodo wanted to turn Kun back to the light, and he was at least true to his word. And how do you not understand that one cannot battle to the best of their abilities while restraining from killing them. That's obvious and anyone would be able to understand it, except you it seems. And please don't call me a noob troll.

"Now, I've backed up my claims of why Kun wasn't even giving it his all, and was doing the same as Vodo. Didn't you notice Kun easily cleaved Vodo in-half once he "turned on the juice"? Similar to Vader and Luke's duel during ESB. As I've said you are nothing but ridiculous, and can't offer anything valid to an argument besides unsupported, and quite frankly absurd, assumptions. I provide scans, logical arguments, and the like - can't say the same for you though."

And I haven't backed up my claims? Wow just wow. So because I don't supply scans, I suck at debating? And your 'logical' arguments have so far only been complete bs.

"Kun was toying with him - and the comic shows as much. Vodo and Kun exchange words, once Kun realizes he can't turn Vodo, he ignites the other side of the saber, and cleaves Vodo in HALF with ONE SIDE. You are so crazy, seriously. You downplay to the end, even when I show scans, and logical arguments - to call me a "fangirl" is laughable. I could say the same for you, but more or less you're just ignorant.
Oh, and also - Kun was STILL telling him to join him AFTER he ignites the other end of the saber, THAT much tells me he was toying with him"

Again, that is your biased crappy interpretation of the comic. I see Vodo blocking everything that Kun throws at him. I see calmness on Vodo's face and frustration on Kun's. However I am not as much of a fanboy as to try to establish my opinion as fact, unlike you it seems. And it also looks like you're contradicting your previous point here. make up your mind. Was Kun toying with Vodo or being serious when asking Vodo to koin him?

"Then what the f*ck is destroying his stick? That is outdueling him, he broke through his defense - his defense was the stick."

You miss my point. Kun did not outduel Vodo. He won not because he dueled better, but because his lightsaber was able to break through Vodo's saber. That is not a testament to Kun's skill. All that says is that Kun's saber > then Vodo's stick. Vodo was at a disadvantage due to his weapon. How can you not undertand that? I love how people can recognise that Sidious beating Yoda in their final force battle says nothing about Sidious' superiority to Yoda because Yoda only fell because he was lighter, yet they can't even recognise that Kun slaying Yoda was not a testament to his skill because Vodo was at a disadvantage with his STICK.

"Considering the Dark side makes you stronger as we all know from watching the movies, reading the books, hearing from Lucas. Oh, and considering when he dueled Vodo the first time"

Tapping into the darkside can make you stronger as you do not hold back like most jedi, however it can also make you complacent and foolish, however that is not important. You seem to be missing the crucial point that while tapping into the dark side can grant you added strengths and advantages to your power, you do NOT grow stronger with your dueling ability as you grow stronger in the dark side.

"Really, so the omniscient narrator is wrong? You said it had a "weakness", I didn't see any mention of this crap. Furthermore, the second time they met he broke the stick in-half with one side, showing the mere strength of Exar Kun."

I'll admit that it does say a lot about Exar's strength, however you seem to fail to realise that the quote was definitely invalid as Vodo's stick has been shown to be weaker then a lightsaber on 2 occasions (when Kun penetrates it with his saber staff, and while dueling with two sabers). Plus have you ever heard of free indirect discourse. Look it up. it is when an omniscient narrator indirectly voices one of his character's opinions or feelings, so by saying that the quote is wrong, I am in no way saying that the narrator was wrong.

"If you aren't going to refute it, there is no room to keep making the claim. That's obvious in even a Star Wars debate."

You again miss my point. I am not going to refute it because it is logical. However the writer seems to have disregarded that logic as we see Kun use the amulet blast, and it is simple and ineffective. There would have been no reason for Kun to hold back on trying his hardest to destroy both Ulic and Aleema. He even said, "I must kill them at all cost", or something along those lines. It is also the only time that we see his amulet blast go up against a force user, and taking into consideration that he knew he had to kill them at all cost, it is ridiculous to assume that the attack was different or that he could have produced something more spectacular.

Now I'm done with this debate seeing as you are trying to turn it into a bashfest so please, in the future, when your argument is weak and basically sucks, don't try to hide it by trolling and giving petty insults.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
I don't have to resort to insults as you can see my arguments are not weakened by taking them out. My arguments are backed by logic, scans, and everything between.

Weak? Yeah right, maybe in an alternate universe. If I throw around a name or two, so be it as long as I back up what I'm saying, which I do.

The fact all you can say is "bias!!/ fangirl!!/!!!eleven z0mg insultooor!!!" shows that you cannot refute anything logically.

A "troll" though? LOL. Did I get banned? No, that's Fox. Do I come back with multiple usernames? No, that's Fox. Do I constantly come up with nothing to back up my arguments? No, that's Fox.

I am not disputing the fact that your arguments are logical and that you have debated well, however my argument is stronger imo and I don't need to resort to selective quoting and insults to show people.

And please explain how getting wrongly banned, and coming back with multiple accounts because I felt unfairly treated make me a troll.

Damn..great finish Fox.

Cool thanks. Oh and Mosoko we can forget about this bashing and call it a truce and get back to the debate if you want.

Kun was not trying to convert Vodo.

Really?

Really?

He says it continuously throughout the fight. Is that not indication enough? I could agree if Exar only pressed the matter once, but the fact he did it several times clearly shows me something else.

Kun would never think that Vodo would turn to the darkside.

And Vodo would think Kun would turn to back to the Light? I highly doubt it considering all of what Exar had done.

To even think that Kun wasn't trying as hard as Vodo is completely ridiculous.

If anything then, they were even to think Kun was trying harder is completely ridiculous - seeing as when he ignites the other end of his saber, grins, and slices Vodo in half with complete ease.

The jedi trying harder then the sith? Are you mad? You also forgot to include the bit where Vodo wanted to turn Kun back to the light, and he was at least true to his word.

And you know Kun wasn't how exactly? Ah yes, where the comic shows Kun constantly saying things to get Vodo to turn back.

And how do you not understand that one cannot battle to the best of their abilities while restraining from killing them. That's obvious and anyone would be able to understand it, except you it seems.

And how do you not understand that Kun was trying to recruit Vodo? That's obvious as he repeats it relentlessly.

And I haven't backed up my claims? Wow just wow. So because I don't supply scans, I suck at debating? And your 'logical' arguments have so far only been complete bs.

Really?

I am not disputing the fact that your arguments are logical and that you have debated well

Contradicting yourself? Thought so. You don't refute my claims about the amulet blast, and even so much say that you refuse to do such just because you so strongly believe the opposite. That is the extent of your assertions.

You miss my point. Kun did not outduel Vodo. He won not because he dueled better, but because his lightsaber was able to break through Vodo's saber. That is not a testament to Kun's skill. All that says is that Kun's saber > then Vodo's stick.

Except for the fact you're forgetting the stick was his defense, he broke the stick - breaking his defense. The fact that he can break a stick with ONE SIDE of his lightsaber against a stick MORE POWERFUL than his lightsaber is a testament not only to his skill, but his sheer strength. As well considering he lifts the Chancellor up with one hand, even more testament to his strength.

you do NOT grow stronger with your dueling ability as you grow stronger in the dark side.

You do gain power however. Perhaps you didn't notice the change Anakin made in ROTS? He is far superior as a Darksider. The Darkside allows you to use your emotions, and if you can efficiently do such, your skill will be considerably better. Example? Dooku and Anakin. It turns to power, which in turns helps in a duel.

Not to mention, Kun is now a master lightsaber duelist - whereas he wasn't when he first dueled Vodo. His skill has increased either way.

I'll admit that it does say a lot about Exar's strength, however you seem to fail to realise that the quote was definitely invalid as Vodo's stick has been shown to be weaker then a lightsaber on 2 occasions (when Kun penetrates it with his saber staff, and while dueling with two sabers).

It's more powerful than Exar Kun's saber, not Exar Kun and Crado's sabers put together with full force. Now, the second time they duel, refresh me - what happens? Kun cleaves Vodo in two with ONE SIDE.

You again miss my point. I am not going to refute it because it is logical. However the writer seems to have disregarded that logic as we see Kun use the amulet blast, and it is simple and ineffective. There would have been no reason for Kun to hold back on trying his hardest to destroy both Ulic and Aleema. He even said, "I must kill them at all cost", or something along those lines. It is also the only time that we see his amulet blast go up against a force user, and taking into consideration that he knew he had to kill them at all cost, it is ridiculous to assume that the attack was different or that he could have produced something more spectacular.

Again, I've address every one of those points.

Now I'm done with this debate seeing as you are trying to turn it into a bashfest so please, in the future, when your argument is weak and basically sucks, don't try to hide it by trolling and giving petty insults.

Really?

I am not disputing the fact that your arguments are logical and that you have debated well

Contradicting yourself again?

And please explain how getting wrongly banned, and coming back with multiple accounts because I felt unfairly treated make me a troll.

Wrongly banned? You were banned first temp. as BLAK FOX (yeah wrongly banned right?), then banned permanently for coming back as a sock (wrongly banned, eh?), then banned again for coming back with a different username, then coming back again. Get the point already! And you often make quite absurd assumptions when I provide the scans right in your face.

Oh and Mosoko we can forget about this bashing and call it a truce and get back to the debate if you want.

I don't know any "Mosoko's".

Firstly Mokoto, quite a few of those quotes are linked and make up one point so you can not simply answer them seperately.

Originally posted by Escape81
I do. People use the Internet as a method of being obnoxious. It's pathetic.

Originally posted by Master Fox
Firstly Mokoto, quite a few of those quotes are linked and make up one point so you can not simply answer them seperately.

Yeah, and the points are all the same:

-Vodo wasn't trying as hard as Kun.
-Kun wasn't trying to turn Vodo.
-How does the Darkside make you more proficient in dueling?
-Blah, and blah

Anyways, yes I do suppose we can drop the insults, I do apologize for that, my patience isn't at the top of the list. Which is still no excuse, but meh. We'll have to continue this later, I'm going out for the night.

Ok cool let's do that. How about we stop this debate anyway. We're just repeating the same points over and over again and there's no point in doing that.

Btw, Sama, who're those two in your sig?