Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Now, now bragging at being "leet" in Star Wars is kinda lame...
Like Sexy said, I'm referring to debating in general, and the aspects of it. Not necessarily just "Star Wars". And really, Asian Chick 😛, am I incorrect in claiming you've never said that you were "good", or something similar? No, pretty sure I'm not.
Originally posted by Advent
Like Sexy said, I'm referring to debating in general, and the aspects of it. Not necessarily just "Star Wars". And really, [b]Asian Chick 😛, am I incorrect in claiming you've never said that you were "good", or something similar? No, pretty sure I'm not. [/B]
I've never said anything remotely close to that ever 😄
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Again this is you grasping at straws, no shit its telepathy that is as previously said simply entering someone's mind, however Revan took it a step further when he proceeded to dominate their minds. This is what you don't seem to be getting.Your attempting to simplify the feat by saying:
"Well its just telepathy! Erabody can do dat!"
When thats simply not the case, please show me where "average joe Jedi #45" mimics Jacen or Revan's feat to a success and I'll concede the point. What Revan did takes and extreme amount of control of ones force abilities to not destroy the mind like Jacen did. The only people who have done this or something remotely similar are: Kreia, Luke and Sidious.
And if you wanna compare mental states, lets look at this from the Rakata's perspective: Some guy falls out the sky, slaughters your comrades with lightning he can produce at will, coupled with the fact that this man has very little disregard to your life he proceeds to mess around in your head. Compare that to Veyl who knew what she was dealing with and that Jacen was trying NOT to kill her as he needed her information.
Jacen can't control his power to the extent Revan can, therefore Revan has a higher degree of force mastery then Jacen and thus is stronger. The Point.
You trying your hardest to simplify the terminology to make it seem unimpressive is completely irrelevant.
Not that your arguments are logical or anything, but how does Revan's control of his mental probe indicate that he's more powerful in the force?
Again Vel may have had a lower tolerance for a forced mental probe, also the fact that Vel was more aware of Jacen's telepathy meant that she was better able to resist Jacen's powers. The Rakata by contrast had less awareness of the force and had been humbled already, making them potentially more pliable.
Originally posted by Allankles
Not that your arguments are logical or anything, but how does Revan's control of his mental probe indicate that he's more powerful in the force?Again Vel may have had a lower tolerance for a forced mental probe, also the fact that Vel was more aware of Jacen's telepathy meant that she was better able to resist Jacen's powers. The Rakata by contrast had less awareness of the force and had been humbled already, making them potentially more pliable.
Do you even understand the difference between what Jacen did and what Revan did? I don't care about your "Oh he may have done this" crap, because it's inadmissable in a debate. Jacen wasn't able to control the mind of a non force sensitive, while Revan ripped out an entire language and threw basic in. That shows more control and mastery over the force in that specific category, if not overall.
Owned
Im amaized that so many of you have totally given over to the light side. Yoda failed against a frail old emperor, luke didnt kill anyone and managed to defend himself against vader 2 or 3 times and finally chop off his arm before getting incinerated by the emperor. only reason the emperor died was because vader took him by so much surprise. Credit for anything luke was celebrated for goes to vader by far (he was the chosen one he just needed luke to show him)
Ok so as I have said, Luke is a failure and is only half skywalker.
Anakin was pretty awesome but I am positively sure that if the Jedi had been prepared and not had all of their masters away at war or taken by surprise in palpatines chambers and killed, they would have easily struck down the fledgling Knight... not to mention he was defeated by one of the lesser Jedi masters (obi wan), who was too sentimental to comit Sai Cha on the worthless burning corpse.
Anakin got lucky because most of the masters were away at war and he had helped killed the alone Mace Windu on the homefront. 2v1 and a total surprise for windu....
Anakin was a sith who was in the right place at the right time to take out all of the trainees.
Yoda...... Ok this guy is pretty awesome, unfortunately, his aggresive and impressive combat style aside, he was unable to incapacitate the opponent both times we saw him fight. Aturu, his combat style, is well utilized by him but is realllyt the best for killing alot of people at one time without lightsabers, not dueling. he has aproximately the same force power as dukoo and less lightsaber skills then the emperor.
My KOTOR Revan would have Taken them out all vs 1. Revan killed ALL THE SITH ABORD THE STAR FORGE. IF YOU PLAYED THAT MISSION YOU HAVE TO BEAT LIKE 50 and then malak, who utilizes the full power of the star forge, and you STILL WIN
Malak could probably take anakin or weaken him for malak to finish off.
My exile would have gotten Anakin to half health and then quit because the game designers forgot to give him a lightsaber and any clothes..... kotor II was so gay as opposed to Kotor.
Re: Owned
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Im amaized that so many of you have totally given over to the light side. Yoda failed against a frail old emperor, luke didnt kill anyone and managed to defend himself against vader 2 or 3 times and finally chop off his arm before getting incinerated by the emperor. only reason the emperor died was because vader took him by so much surprise. Credit for anything luke was celebrated for goes to vader by far (he was the chosen one he just needed luke to show him)Ok so as I have said, Luke is a failure and is only half skywalker.
Anakin was pretty awesome but I am positively sure that if the Jedi had been prepared and not had all of their masters away at war or taken by surprise in palpatines chambers and killed, they would have easily struck down the fledgling Knight... not to mention he was defeated by one of the lesser Jedi masters (obi wan), who was too sentimental to comit Sai Cha on the worthless burning corpse.
Anakin got lucky because most of the masters were away at war and he had helped killed the alone Mace Windu on the homefront. 2v1 and a total surprise for windu....
Anakin was a sith who was in the right place at the right time to take out all of the trainees.
Yoda...... Ok this guy is pretty awesome, unfortunately, his aggresive and impressive combat style aside, he was unable to incapacitate the opponent both times we saw him fight. Aturu, his combat style, is well utilized by him but is realllyt the best for killing alot of people at one time without lightsabers, not dueling. he has aproximately the same force power as dukoo and less lightsaber skills then the emperor.
My KOTOR Revan would have Taken them out all vs 1. Revan killed ALL THE SITH ABORD THE STAR FORGE. IF YOU PLAYED THAT MISSION YOU HAVE TO BEAT LIKE 50 and then malak, who utilizes the full power of the star forge, and you STILL WIN
Malak could probably take anakin or weaken him for malak to finish off.
My exile would have gotten Anakin to half health and then quit because the game designers forgot to give him a lightsaber and any clothes..... kotor II was so gay as opposed to Kotor.
So much is wrong here. First of all by ROTS Yoda was stated to be the "most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness HAD EVER KNOWN" which equates to being the strongest lightsider to have come up until that point. In kotor's canon ending Malak says Revan was stronger now as a lightsider than he was ever as a sith lord. Then NJO Luke surpasses Yoda> And Sidious is far from frail he is arguably the strongest sith lord ever and at the very least is certainly strong than anyone mentioned except for Luke.
And Revan DID NOT face ALL the troops on the star forge. Malak orders for all AVAILABLE troops to engage Revan AND his companions. Plus even in the level you can clearly see lock doors and hangars for the fighters and revan never travels there so get your facts straight fanboy.
And YOUR revan and exile are not canon so we don't give a shit as to how powerful they maybe.
ROTS Anakin "in teh zone" is one of the greatest saber duelists ever and better than anyone he would be facing in saber combat.
You can take your fanboyish opinions out of here.
of course duku would own alot. his profeciency in Makashi would make him my number one dueling choice. Even in Star Wars Battlefront II wich I play alot.
And this Dooku was single handedly taken out by Anakin who had to "decide to win"
k i am kinda new to this thread but luke.... is not the most powerful being in all of eternity....
I saw this a few pages back:
Luke moved multiple black holes.
Luke was described as an unmovable object, even BY a black hole.
Could walk on lava.
Could make himself invisible in the force and from sight. (Meaning Revan cannot possibly see him AT ALL, even with the force.)
Swung his saber so fast it looked like he fought with 20 at once.
When not nearly as good as now, he could take down an AT-AT with a simple force move, same with an army of droids.
Fought thousands upon thousands with Vong alone, one which is damn powerful, the most powerful army against jedi's ever.
Rip out engines from Star Destroyers.
Move so fast he wasn't visible. (And this is also before he was as good as he is now)
Emerald lightning = instakill.
Ok very often you will find information on Wookiepedia or even in some of the games, that is totally off. seriously.... I think luke is the most naive thing in the universe.
After the fall of the sith, luke should not have trained more jedi. More Jedi means more potential corruptees to go to the dark side.
Even if the information is true that the Empire lived on after the death of The Sith, or that the Whole Jedi Knight series in video games is true, The most powerful sith since Exar Kun has and will be Revan. Revan Owns the whole Star Forge, a weapon of unlimited power, Kills 100s of jedis and sith, beats up Korriban, and finds the star forge TWICE, beats Revan, A sith with unmeasureable potential, TWICE, I dont are who you are, Luke was never measured that powerfully in the movies or anything george lucas has put his name too.
Direct quote from "Elite Hunter"
So much is wrong here. First of all by ROTS Yoda was stated to be the "most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness HAD EVER KNOWN" which equates to being the strongest lightsider to have come up until that point. In kotor's canon ending Malak says Revan was stronger now as a lightsider than he was ever as a sith lord. Then NJO Luke surpasses Yoda> And Sidious is far from frail he is arguably the strongest sith lord ever and at the very least is certainly strong than anyone mentioned except for Luke.
And Revan DID NOT face ALL the troops on the star forge. Malak orders for all AVAILABLE troops to engage Revan AND his companions. Plus even in the level you can clearly see lock doors and hangars for the fighters and revan never travels there so get your facts straight fanboy.
And YOUR revan and exile are not canon so we don't give a shit as to how powerful they maybe.
ROTS Anakin "in teh zone" is one of the greatest saber duelists ever and better than anyone he would be facing in saber combat.
You can take your fanboyish opinions out of here.
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Ok first error I want to point out is that you have gotten alot of crap out of third party information... Maybe wookiepedia or something said yoda was the most powerful force the darkness had ever known but then this contradicts with what the third party net information says about luke with rumors of emerald lightning and crap like that. another thing is WTH did malak know? Malak is not the supreme judge of the universe's power.... and btw, I played it on the dark side, so he had a totallly different little gem for me. something about being way more powerful then I ever was when I was a sith lord..... of course, how powerful revan actually is or becomes, really depends on how you played the game, and cutscenes from the game.
I take all of my info from the movies or from the game... I have not lied one tiny bit. I didnt say duku was the most powerful, I meant that I would use makashi as my number 1 dueling teqnique from watching him fight.
Anakin was beat by obi wan fair and square because he is "one of the greatest saber duelists ever and better than anyone he would be facing in saber combat."
I dont know about you Flipping over a guy with a lightsaber over lava is pretty bad fight judgement if your not yoda or not Well practiced in Ataru. Id say your ideas are way out of wack as I would defenitely consider one of the best dueling skills to be descrimination between when to jump over lava and when not too....
Dude I know almost everything about star wars there is to find. I dont accept readily what george lucas didnt write or produce. if I say on wookiepedia that luke got maried to Jabba the Hutts daughter through leia 40 years after the fall of the empire and then broke up with her because she wouldnt wear a metal bikini most of you nerds would say OMG I DIDNT KNOW THAT and then go raving in TFN Forums. Yes, I know that this is not tfn forums.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
k i am kinda new to this thread but luke.... is not the most powerful being in all of eternity....I saw this a few pages back:
Luke moved multiple black holes.
Luke was described as an unmovable object, even BY a black hole.
Could walk on lava.
Could make himself invisible in the force and from sight. (Meaning Revan cannot possibly see him AT ALL, even with the force.)
Swung his saber so fast it looked like he fought with 20 at once.
When not nearly as good as now, he could take down an AT-AT with a simple force move, same with an army of droids.
Fought thousands upon thousands with Vong alone, one which is damn powerful, the most powerful army against jedi's ever.
Rip out engines from Star Destroyers.
Move so fast he wasn't visible. (And this is also before he was as good as he is now)
Emerald lightning = instakill.
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I know your new and you would have to forgive me if I can on a little rough and for that I apologize but Revan fanboys who over hype his power with intentionally or not gets on a lot of people's nerves but saying stuff like "Revan is teh Uber GOD!" Which you have not. And all the things you mentioned are true and happened in books or comics. I suggest you look up old Luke threads to see where some of his feats are.
Ok very often you will find information on Wookiepedia or even in some of the games, that is totally off. seriously.... I think luke is the most naive thing in the universe.
That is true wookieepedia is always right but these events happened in the books and comics which are canon.
After the fall of the sith, luke should not have trained more jedi. More Jedi means more potential corruptees to go to the dark side.
Galaxy needs jedi to protect it or it would have fallen without them.
Even if the information is true that the Empire lived on after the death of The Sith, or that the Whole Jedi Knight series in video games is true, The most powerful sith since Exar Kun has and will be Revan. Revan Owns the whole Star Forge, a weapon of unlimited power, Kills 100s of jedis and sith, beats up Korriban, and finds the star forge TWICE, beats Revan, A sith with unmeasureable potential, TWICE, I dont are who you are
Luke was never measured that powerfully in the movies or anything george lucas has put his name too.
No he wasn't really strong in the movies. But he became stronger overtime in the books and comics. But they are canon and have the seal of Lucas on them.
Sideous is not above Exar Kun. if you talk to the whoozits on yavin in Kotor 1 about exar kun, the ground beneath "Exar Kun's Feet always shook the ground when he walked, and when he looked at you, you just...."
Sideous just tricked a few powerful people and was beat by Mace Windu, My fav Jedi, proving that Windu is more powerful then yoda (windu was the only master of Vaapad) and therefore VERY skilled with a saber.
Yoda was beat by sideous, therefore making it VERY false that yoda was the most powerful enemy of the dark every known or whatever was previously said about him. WINDU was more powerful then yoda.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Ok first error I want to point out is that you have gotten alot of crap out of third party information...
Most of what I was referring to was the ROTS novel. Which is canon as long as a particular event does not contradict the movies.[QUOTE]aybe wookiepedia or something said yoda was the most powerful force the darkness had ever known but then this contradicts with what the third party net information says about luke with rumors of emerald lightning and crap like that
WTH did malak know? Malak is not the supreme judge of the universe's power.... and btw, I played it on the dark side, so he had a totallly different little gem for me
Malak WAS his sith apprentice and best friend so I would say he is a very credible source as to how powerful Revan was and would become when he faced him on the star forge. As much as I like the darkside version over the lightside, it is not the canon ending of the game which is what use to argue is the canon ending of the games.
how powerful revan actually is or becomes, really depends on how you played the game, and cutscenes from the game.
I take all of my info from the movies or from the game... I have not lied one tiny bit. I didnt say duku was the most powerful, I meant that I would use makashi as my number 1 dueling teqnique from watching him fight.
Dude I know almost everything about star wars there is to find. I dont accept readily what george lucas didnt write or produce. if I say on wookiepedia that luke got maried to Jabba the Hutts daughter through leia 40 years after the fall of the empire and then broke up with her because she wouldnt wear a metal bikini most of you nerds would say OMG I DIDNT KNOW THAT and then go raving in TFN Forums. Yes, I know that this is not tfn forums.
I rarely use Wookieepedia for supporting my arguments. And I know just because it says something doesn't make it true.
Fav Jedi (if he didnt have the gay Pink saber)=Windu (he is the most powerful in the 6 movies)
Fav Sith=Revan (if he is played on the dark side)
I HATE the Exile. I hate the game he was in too.... I hate waiting 3/4 of an entire game to get the weapon of my class. (AKA a lightsaber)
I HATE Noobi Wan. Way to spoil a good killing streak, Obi Wan. chop off all of the cool guy whos owning everybody's appendages and douse him in lava.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Sideous is not above Exar Kun. if you talk to the whoozits on yavin in Kotor 1 about exar kun, the ground beneath "Exar Kun's Feet always shook the ground when he walked, and when he looked at you, you just...."Sideous just tricked a few powerful people and was beat by Mace Windu, My fav Jedi, proving that Windu is more powerful then yoda (windu was the only master of Vaapad) and therefore VERY skilled with a saber.
Yoda was beat by sideous, therefore making it VERY false that yoda was the most powerful enemy of the dark every known or whatever was previously said about him. WINDU was more powerful then yoda.
Sidious has shown alot more than Kun such as defeating 3 jedi masters in seconds.His force storm, great speed, and there are quotes that says Sidious is the most powerful sith lord ever.I have a pretty good pro Kuna arguement which I recently used but his great combat feats don't top Sidious's. WIndu's win is still debated among fans. And Mace has Vapaad and shatterpoint which are to tools Yoda did not have plus I believe mace himself said he was not equal to yoda in a time of peace or war or something along those lines and i will try to find out where that was stated. And Yoda was destined to lose that battle the rots novel pretty much concludes that "he lost before the battle even started."