Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
The same story included Bishop who has human level strength overpowering the Martian Manhunter who can bench press continents. I think we'll not count this one. Also Cannonball almost beat Aquaman without the use of his mutant powers. I don't know how DC let it through.

Buu is fighting the same person who can repair reality by rubbing his hands together and once beat his own death into submission. He's defeated countless high level magical beings as well.

Other attacks have been shown capable of hurting Buu. That's like assuming Cell can only be killed by a Kamehameha. Superman has fought white Martians. They have the same shape changing abilities as Buu are stronger and faster and possess global level telepathy.

Also how does Buu beat Superman?

sorry I don't know how to only quote a part of the statment but this is for the bit on white martians, one they do not have the same shape changing abilities as buu, buu never assumed anybody else' s appearnce like the white martians do, if you cut off a peace of the martians like the head that's one dead martain (like what feris did to a ton of them) they can also be rendered uncounsceince though blows, not buu. second they global level telepathy took a bunch of them and it wasn't even a enough considering they also had to use propganda and batman resisted it. so they aren't that powerful of telepaths. either way though buu doesn't have telepathy so it doesn't matter.

as far as buu vs. superman I think that's 5 out of 5 for both

just on the side one think I found funny about the dbz series is that from on saga to another they are suppost to be 100 to a 1000 times more powerfull then the pervous however there feats not only are not more impressive but are actually less impressive. I would like to know one thing that ssj 3 goku has done (- the battle feats as in just saying he beat buu who is stronger then frezza doesn't count) that SSj 1 goku or even end of sayan saga goku couldn't do. in the namik saga goku could move so fast that even an upgraded vegeta could not track his movement and it looked like goku was standing still in a serous fight I don't think the same could be said for any other time even when normal people are watching goku.

with my last statement i'm starting to think that superman can beat goku and buu just because as far as feats go they go down hill after the namik saga and in a vs. forum that's what we look at not how they are suppose to be according to the story line.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
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Lastly lets look on Doomsday and Superman's last one on one fight:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg [/B]

Wasn't that not the real Doomsday though?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Reality warping punches

Eh,what does that mean exactly? Is he going to hit you so hard you'll turn into a frog? Buu's screams can cause dimensional rips,if that means anything in a fight that is. =/

Originally posted by Galvaclaw

Hotter than the heart of a star heat vision

That's all well and good,but that probably won't defeat Buu.There's pretty much only two ways to stop Buu;a magical spell powerful enough to seal him away (just as Bibidi did) or an attack that can completely neutralize his evil energy.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw

Throw him into a black hole (Before you ask post crisis Superman has grappled with black holes.)

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Did he put a headlock on the blackhole too? XD

Well,if you say so,but I don't think it would be that easy.Buu can also teleport.It might be hard to catch the sucker.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Lastly lets look on Doomsday and Superman's last one on one fight:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Originally posted by Kento
Wasn't that not the real Doomsday though?

Yeah,it was Hunter-Prey Doomsday that killed Superman back then.The Doomsday with a consciousness of his own is not nearly as powerful.Coincidently enough,this is where HP Doomsday and Buu share one thing in common,both don't posses any sort of conscious,they're just killing machines.

Well Doomsday appears again after that and fights Gog. He just appears stronger then and a lot stronger when Brainiac took over his body. He should have easily been able to counter Superman phasing through him even if it was with speed. He countered Martian Manhunters phasing ability.

Also if that is the real Doomsday who is Doomsday Rex? Because I've seen that name before the Batman/Superman comic appeared with clones of Doomsday that Batman's exploding batarangs easily took out.

whos general Zog?

Who said Zog?

Originally posted by jasofisc
sorry I don't know how to only quote a part of the statment but this is for the bit on white martians, one they do not have the same shape changing abilities as buu, buu never assumed anybody else' s appearnce like the white martians do, if you cut off a peace of the martians like the head that's one dead martain (like what feris did to a ton of them) they can also be rendered uncounsceince though blows, not buu. second they global level telepathy took a bunch of them and it wasn't even a enough considering they also had to use propganda and batman resisted it. so they aren't that powerful of telepaths. either way though buu doesn't have telepathy so it doesn't matter.

as far as buu vs. superman I think that's 5 out of 5 for both

just on the side one think I found funny about the dbz series is that from on saga to another they are suppost to be 100 to a 1000 times more powerfull then the pervous however there feats not only are not more impressive but are actually less impressive. I would like to know one thing that ssj 3 goku has done (- the battle feats as in just saying he beat buu who is stronger then frezza doesn't count) that SSj 1 goku or even end of sayan saga goku couldn't do. in the namik saga goku could move so fast that even an upgraded vegeta could not track his movement and it looked like goku was standing still in a serous fight I don't think the same could be said for any other time even when normal people are watching goku.

THIS IS FANBOYSIM AT IT'S BEST.......

IN DBZ KI INCREASES PROPORTIONALLY WITH THEIR FIGHTING SPEED, DEFENSE, FIREPOWER AND SENSES.

AT THE BEGINNING OF DB ROSHI DESTROYED THE MOON.

IN SUPERMAN THERE ARE NO SUCH PROOF THAT HE IS 10 OR 20 TIMES STRONGER THAN ALL HIS PREVIOUS STRONG ENEMIES LIKE DOOMSDAY.

DOOMSDAY WITH CONSCIOUSNESS IS WEAK.

IN DBZ EVERY ENEMIES ARE 10 OR 20 TIMES STRONGER AND GETTING STRONGER AS THE ARC CONTINUES.

IN DON'T SEE THAT IN SUPERMAN.

WHAT I SEE ABOUT SUPERMAN IS HE PUSHES THAT, HE BENDS THAT, HE LIFTS THAT THAT THAT BLAHA, HE TRAVELS THAT IN BLAH BLAH.

IN SUPERMAN, MORE CIRCUS FEATS THAN FIGHTING FEATS.

BUU VS SUPERMAN IS A FANBOYSIM MATCH UP.

BUU IS CREATED FROM EVIL MAGIC.

I'M BEGINNING TO HATE SUPERMAN BECAUSE OF FANBOYS LIKE YOU

Sadly that's not the most trollish post from the DBZ side in this debate.

As usual: Goku has no feats of strength or speed to show he's up with Superman. Superman has feats of invulnerability which exceed the damage Goku has beens hown to dish out. Also the ever popular Superman has defeated countless high powered magical oponents.

Originally posted by qazwsxe
THIS IS FANBOYSIM AT IT'S BEST.......

IN DBZ KI INCREASES PROPORTIONALLY WITH THEIR FIGHTING SPEED, DEFENSE, FIREPOWER AND SENSES.

AT THE BEGINNING OF DB ROSHI DESTROYED THE MOON.

IN SUPERMAN THERE ARE NO SUCH PROOF THAT HE IS 10 OR 20 TIMES STRONGER THAN ALL HIS PREVIOUS STRONG ENEMIES LIKE DOOMSDAY.

DOOMSDAY WITH CONSCIOUSNESS IS WEAK.

IN DBZ EVERY ENEMIES ARE 10 OR 20 TIMES STRONGER AND GETTING STRONGER AS THE ARC CONTINUES.

IN DON'T SEE THAT IN SUPERMAN.

WHAT I SEE ABOUT SUPERMAN IS HE PUSHES THAT, HE BENDS THAT, HE LIFTS THAT THAT THAT BLAHA, HE TRAVELS THAT IN BLAH BLAH.

IN SUPERMAN, MORE CIRCUS FEATS THAN FIGHTING FEATS.

BUU VS SUPERMAN IS A FANBOYSIM MATCH UP.

BUU IS CREATED FROM EVIL MAGIC.

I'M BEGINNING TO HATE SUPERMAN BECAUSE OF FANBOYS LIKE YOU

try not typing in all caps it's stupid hold on dude check out my other post on this thread before this one that you quoted I was saying that namik saga goku outclasses supes in everyway. Then I checked the feats of dbz characters and i would like to know one feat that is higher then the ones in the namic saga.

so far on this one thread i have been accused of both dbz fanboyism and superman fanboyism something is wrong here. Really dude you should at least check out some of my other post before judging me on just this one that you have clearly misinterpreted.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Sadly that's not the most trollish post from the DBZ side in this debate.

As usual: Goku has no feats of strength or speed to show he's up with Superman. Superman has feats of invulnerability which exceed the damage Goku has beens hown to dish out. Also the ever popular Superman has defeated countless high powered magical oponents.

goku is not about brute strength

goku is not about travel speed

goku is about ki and combat speed

majin-buu is stronger than the high powered magical opponent that sups beat.

imagine at the beginning roshi pulverize the moon and in freeza saga that was hundred thousand times stronger.

now imagine king cold, androids, cell, doubler and of course majin-buu

Originally posted by qazwsxe
goku is not about brute strength

goku is not about travel speed

goku is about ki and combat speed

majin-buu is stronger than the high powered magical opponent that sups beat.

Asmodel? Blaze? Etrigan?

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imagine at the beginning roshi pulverize the moon and in freeza saga that was hundred thousand times stronger.

Unsupported claim. All we know was that he was stronger, not by how much. Frieza couldn't even destroy planet Namek with one attack.

now imagine king cold, androids, cell, doubler and of course majin-buu

Who all have no feats that puit them anywhere near Superman. Sorry.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Asmodel? Blaze? Etrigan?

🙄

Unsupported claim. All we know was that he was stronger, not by how much. Frieza couldn't even destroy planet Namek with one attack.

Who all have no feats that puit them anywhere near Superman. Sorry.

ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE ME LAUGH? I ALMOST DIED LAUGHING..

BUU CAN DESTROY THE UNIVERSE BUT NOT IN ONE HIT.

IT'S NOT THAT HE COULDN'T, IT WAS THE CORE THAT HE DESTROYED INSTEAD OF THE PLANET. FREEZA MADE A MISTAKE BECAUSE GOKU WAS PREPARING FOR THE KAME HAME HA TO KILL HIM.

FUNNY SAIYAN ARC GOKU USES KAIOHKEN X 10 WHEN HIS PL IS 8000

AND NAMEK ARC GOKU USES KAIOHKEN X 2 WHEN HIS PL IS 90000

ROSHI'S PL LEVEL WAS 139 ONLY.

2ND FORM FREEZA IS OVER 1000000

OK, PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT YOUR GOD SUPERMAN IS 20X STRONGER AND GETTING STRONGER AFTER EACH ISSUE LIKE DBZ.

YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A PROOF THAT SUPERMAN PRIME IS 5X STRONGER. SUPERMAN IS MORE OF A CIRCUS FEAT THAN FIGHTING FEATS. I HOPE YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF ALL DBZGT

Originally posted by qazwsxe
ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE ME LAUGH? I ALMOST DIED LAUGHING..

Too bad you didn't finish.

BUU CAN DESTROY THE UNIVERSE BUT NOT IN ONE HIT.

You mean like a guy with a spoon can destroy the Sahara desert?

IT'S NOT THAT HE COULDN'T, IT WAS THE CORE THAT HE DESTROYED INSTEAD OF THE PLANET. FREEZA MADE A MISTAKE BECAUSE GOKU WAS PREPARING FOR THE KAME HAME HA TO KILL HIM.

He was trying to, but he couldn't. Instead he only hit the core.

FUNNY SAIYAN ARC GOKU USES KAIOHKEN X 10 WHEN HIS PL IS 8000

Power levels are meaningless.

AND NAMEK ARC GOKU USES KAIOHKEN X 2 WHEN HIS PL IS 90000

And your point is....?

ROSHI'S PL LEVEL WAS 139 ONLY.

And the farmer that Raditz met had a power level of 5. So apparently he had the power of a nuclear arsenal.rolleyes:

2ND FORM FREEZA IS OVER 1000000

Which is, as I state, meaningless.

OK, PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT YOUR GOD SUPERMAN IS 20X STRONGER AND GETTING STRONGER AFTER EACH ISSUE LIKE DBZ.

He gets stronger the more yellow sunlight he absorbs. So he does get stronger each issue. Done. Even if he didn't it wouldn't matter, since he is already stronger than every DBZ character combined.

YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A PROOF THAT SUPERMAN PRIME IS 5X STRONGER.

5x stronger than who? Post - Crisis Superman?

Superman 1 Million outclassed Post - Crisis Superman by leaps and bounds, and Superman Prime was a god to him.

SUPERMAN IS MORE OF A CIRCUS FEAT THAN FIGHTING FEATS. I HOPE YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF ALL DBZGT

"The meaning of all DBZGT?"

Well the DB stands for Dragon Ball, the Z doesn't stand for anything (Toriyama just added it so people would think it would be over soon), the GT stands for "Grand Tour" which Toei thought of.... although I fail to see how any of this is relevant.

Your claims are typical DBZtard fanboy crap.

Come back with something actually meaningful next time.

And turn off the caps lock key while you're at it, too.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Unsupported claim. All we know was that he was stronger, not by how much. Frieza couldn't even destroy planet Namek with one attack.

Wow, Frieza could not destroy planet Namek in one attack? He DIDN'T destroy Namek in one attack because he held back too much energy out of fear of hurting himself in the ensuing blast. The problem was he held back too much energy and DIDN'T destroy it instantly. Frieza could have easily destroyed Namek, he was just coward. He has no problems destroying planets that he's not on, but since he was on it he was afraid of causing himself harm. Frieza states this pretty clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPpiOhku4U

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Too bad you didn't finish.

You mean like a guy with a spoon can destroy the Sahara desert?

He was trying to, but he couldn't. Instead he only hit the core.

Power levels are meaningless.

And your point is....?

And the farmer that Raditz met had a power level of 5. So apparently he had the power of a nuclear arsenal.rolleyes:

Which is, as I state, meaningless.

He gets stronger the more yellow sunlight he absorbs. So he does get stronger each issue. Done. Even if he didn't it wouldn't matter, since he is already stronger than every DBZ character combined.

5x stronger than who? Post - Crisis Superman?

Superman 1 Million outclassed Post - Crisis Superman by leaps and bounds, and Superman Prime was a god to him.

"The meaning of all DBZGT?"

Well the DB stands for Dragon Ball, the Z doesn't stand for anything (Toriyama just added it so people would think it would be over soon), the GT stands for "Grand Tour" which Toei thought of.... although I fail to see how any of this is relevant.

Your claims are typical DBZtard fanboy crap.

Come back with something actually meaningful next time.

And turn off the caps lock key while you're at it, too.

that's what superman fanboys always said, power level is meaningless but they don't have any argument.

power level stands for their feat.

pl 329 destroyed the moon without effort, that was saiyan arc alone.

are you saying that destroying a moon is not a feat.

destroying a moon without any effort is harder than lifting tons.

lifting weight is also meaningless.

since when does it stated that the pl of 5 has a power of nuclear arsenal.

dbz character combined lol, enemies of superman have no power to destroy a moon with no effort, even redemption don't have that kind of power and superman can't beat redemption in one hit.

it's useless if you can't quantify or how much stronger superman becomes in each issue.

it's useless? most of his enemies in each issue is so much weak compare to dbz.

how many leaps and how many bounds gauge it?

superman prime was god, is bullshit.

Superman Prime didn't ressurect Lois with his own power. He ressurected Lois by using a DNA sample with the HELP of of a 5th dimensional imp, Lzyxm Ltpkz, they got from Solaris's core. And as for recreating Krypton, Hourman III used the worlogog to travel back in time before Krypton exploded and create a duplicate of the planet WITH the worlogog in order to recreate Krypton, so Superman Prime has basically nothing to do with the recreation of Krypton.

dbzgt combined is biased, superman always have trouble fighting a villain who don't even have the power to destroy a moon in a single hit.

person like you makes me hate superman so much.

superman fanboys are biased.....

Yes you are right. Powerlevels are useful when used with a corresponding feat.

For instance, Vegeta would have destroyed the earth with his Galick gun when he was fighting Goku in the saiyan saga. His powerlevel (given by Toriyama) is 18,000. This means that the known minimum for destroying an earth sized planet is 18,000 at least. From there we can extrapolate what other stronger characters are capable of preforming. For instance, Goku's Kaio Ken power while fighting Ginyu was 180,000, so he was 10x stronger then Vegeta, which means Goku has the known power needed to destroy 10 earth sized planets simultaneously. Or that Frieza's full powerlevel is 12,000,000, which means that Frieza has the power needed to destroy 667 earth sized planets simultaneously and so on. Powerlevels DO have meaning, it just requires some math and some logic.

since when does it stated that the pl of 5 has a

power of nuclear arsenal.

Because if power level scaled linearly like you claim a normal human would have about a 30th of the energy needed to blow up a moon. Which would exceed the energy of all the worlds nukes.

destroying a moon without any effort is harder than lifting tons

Depends how many tons your talking about. It would take much less energy to blow up a moon than to throw a black hole or move the machinery of a solar system sized construct.

Superman hangs with Green Lanterns. They can contain Supernova's and big bangs and create planets. Or Orion, his Astro force overpowered a universe destroying wave before. Superman has fought even battles with them before.

You know what being able to lift large weights means Superman can hit harder because he has more strength. Goku bleeds when hit by someone who can't lift a mountain how will Superman's punches effect him?

dbz character combined lol, enemies of superman have no power to destroy a moon with no effort, even redemption don't have that kind of power and superman can't beat redemption in one hit.

Has he tried? The mere fact he can hurt Superman who has taken moon busting attack without flinching shows how strong Redemption is.

I can use this logic. Dabura was never show to be able to blow up a moon yet Gohan couldn't beat him in one hit. hmm

it's useless if you can't quantify or how much stronger superman becomes in each issue.

Just like in DBZ where there are no the powerlevels after the freeza saga. Increases can't be quantified then either. Superman is obviously getting stronger, compare a comic now to one written 15 years ago.

Superman Prime gave a fraction of his power to Superman 1,000,000. Superman 1,000,000 held a galaxy in place and banished a 5th dimensional imp.

You haven't done anything to prove Goku can beat Superman. Tell us how Goku wins. Is it a Kamehameha? Then show it destroying something which shows it exceeding Superman's level of resistance.

Powerlevels don't scale linearly otherwise Goku wouldn't struggle with 40 tons in the base form or a small hill as a Super sayain 2.

This "moving a hill" feat thats always talked about with Goku bugs me. When you think about it its impossible to "move a hill". The hill is attached to the planet and the ground, for him to move a hill of that size would require him to also move a good portion of the ground beneath him as well. That equates to a lot of weight. Plus he makes the whole thing explode in the end.

And Dabura is slightly less powerful then Perfect Cell. He could destroy a planet hundreds or thousands of times simultaneously if he wanted. Just because a person doesn't actually do something does not mean that he cant. The absence of proof isn't the proof of absence. Goku never ACTUALLY destroys a planet, but he could effortlessly.

Frieza could easily destroy planets, Dabura makes Frieza seem like a child playing with fireworks in comparison, Cell is stronger then Dabura, Goku is way stronger then Cell, Buu is much stronger then Goku and so forth. Frieza can destroy a planet, we've seen him do it, we know he can do it easily. Therefore everyone who is stronger then him could also do it, but even MORE easily. Just because they never actually do it does not mean they can't. Logic people, it works wonders.

Look how little effort Buu puts into this blast, and look how small it is. Yet it still had enough power to obliterate the planet. Goku is pretty equal to Buu in power, therefore he could do the exact same. Just because he never does does not mean he cant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAGekwICAVI

This "moving a hill" feat thats always talked about with Goku bugs me. When you think about it its impossible to "move a hill". The hill is attached to the planet and the ground, for him to move a hill of that size would require him to also move a good portion of the ground beneath him as well. That equates to a lot of weight. Plus he makes the whole thing explode in the end.

Which is nothing compared to Superman. That feat of strength puts him at barely a fraction of Superman's strength.

And Dabura is slightly less powerful then Perfect Cell. He could destroy a planet hundreds or thousands of times simultaneously if he wanted. Just because a person doesn't actually do something does not mean that he cant. The absence of proof isn't the proof of absence. Goku never ACTUALLY destroys a planet, but he could effortlessly.

Frieza could easily destroy planets, Dabura makes Frieza seem like a child playing with fireworks in comparison, Cell is stronger then Dabura, Goku is way stronger then Cell, Buu is much stronger then Goku and so forth. Frieza can destroy a planet, we've seen him do it, we know he can do it easily. Therefore everyone who is stronger then him could also do it, but even MORE easily. Just because they never actually do it does not mean they can't. Logic people, it works wonders.

Look how little effort Buu puts into this blast, and look how small it is. Yet it still had enough power to obliterate the planet. Goku is pretty equal to Buu in power, therefore he could do the exact same. Just because he never does does not mean he cant.

Read my post properly. I applying qazwsxe's logic to DBZ. He claimed that because Superman couldn't one shot Redemption he must be weak. I replaced Superman and Redemption with Gohan and Dubura. If a new character with no feats fights well against a hero it doesn't mean the hero's weak it means his new opponent is just that strong.

I completely agree with you. Thing is being a planet destroyer isn't enough. Superman can take much more than that. He's taken he full charge of a GL ring to the face before and only had a few bruises. We're not saying DBZ characters aren't super strong, fast, planet busters. We're saying that's not enough to beat Post crisis Superman, Thor, the Silver Surfer or their piers.