Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by qazwsxe
you don't need feats in dbz if you're ki is higher or bigger like doubler. this is not DC you know.

in dc/marvel you need feats to prove you are worthy.

superman can't take a full charge of thousand times planet buster attack because redemption's one-hit attack didn't even danger the whole planet and superman have a hard time to beat him.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The Ki level goes up..but the damage they do and the attacks they do don't seem any different.

On top of that..those attacks take time...and Superman is far faster than light...and far superior to them physically... it would be over quickly. Especially if we dropped the hyperbole on both ends..

As for Redemption... he's a fairly unique character since as long as his congregation has faith in him...he's practically invincible.

redemption's one-hit attack didn't even danger the whole planet and superman have a hard time to beat him

Its the fact that it hurt him and there was no danger for the planet is what matter in the statement posted. You guys all seem to forget one thing the Z-Fighters move a amazing speed aswell and the only reason we get to seem them so often is because it wouldn't have been fun to see multiple stripes going head to head all the time, the fights were portaiyed as if we were watching through Z-Warrior eyes, the regular people in the serie always where hardly capable of seeing anything from the fights ( look at the stunned faces in tournaments and such ) they hardly realise what their seeing. Its just WE were able to see what was going on because it would have been quite dull for us if it wasn't

Originally posted by Maistro
Its the fact that it hurt him and there was no danger for the planet is what matter in the statement posted. You guys all seem to forget one thing the Z-Fighters move a amazing speed aswell and the only reason we get to seem them so often is because it wouldn't have been fun to see multiple stripes going head to head all the time, the fights were portaiyed as if we were watching through Z-Warrior eyes, the regular people in the serie always where hardly capable of seeing anything from the fights ( look at the stunned faces in tournaments and such ) they hardly realise what their seeing. Its just [b]WE were able to see what was going on because it would have been quite dull for us if it wasn't [/B]

Even that is not a great point. Planets don't get destroyed everytime these guys fight either...no matter how much they blast each other at any level.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The Ki level goes up..but the damage they do and the attacks they do don't seem any different.

On top of that..those attacks take time...and Superman is far faster than light...and far superior to them physically... it would be over quickly. Especially if we dropped the hyperbole on both ends..

As for Redemption... he's a fairly unique character since as long as his congregation has faith in him...he's practically invincible.

the way of dc/marvel is the bigger the explosion, the stronger.

in dbz no matter how less destructive the attack, what count most is the power level or size of the ki because that is what the manga is trying to point out not your question.

also, they can control the size of their energy attacks, that is the one of the reason.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Even that is not a great point. Planets don't get destroyed everytime these guys fight either...no matter how much they blast each other at any level.

again dbz is not in dc/marvel, although i agree there are characters in dc/marvel more powerful than dbz.

anyway, like i said before this is not dc/marvel.

dbz can control the destructiveness of their attack and no matter how less destructive the attack what count most is the power level or the size of the ki.

about the farmer with a shotgun, he doesn't have any power so the argument is non-sense.

Originally posted by qazwsxe
again dbz is not in dc/marvel, although i agree there are characters in dc/marvel more powerful than dbz.

anyway, like i said before this is not dc/marvel.

dbz can control the destructiveness of their attack and no matter how less destructive the attack what count most is the power level or the size of the ki.

about the farmer with a shotgun, he doesn't have any power so the argument is non-sense.

Then why did he have a power level of 5?

Your arguments are the ones that are nonsensical.

Originally posted by qazwsxe
excuse me did i said before that 139 can destroy moon, but 139 is only his base pl which means when he used the maximum power kame hame ha his pl increased.

Prove it.

and what is your proof that pl of 5 can nuke the us?

Power to destroy the moon = 1e29j

Power of all the nuclear weapons ever built combined = 4e18j

1e29/28 = 3.57e27j = 892,857,143 times all of the nuclear weapons ever built. Simple math and physics.

i said, destroyed the moon without effort.

And your point is....?

mr. myxptlk is excluded because he is not really a superman's villain.

Of course he is. He's one of his main rogues.

i'm not saying that goku is unbeatable but if there someone who can beat goku it's not superman.

Wrong, Superman has feats and powers far in excess of anything Goku has ever demonstrated in canon.

i'm starting to hate superman because of biased fanboy like you.

I'm presenting logical arguments and canon feats and you are simply making unfounded claims.

i know a bunch of characters that can beat dbz and i dont hate them because they are not biased like you.

Ad hominem fallacy.

Originally posted by qazwsxe
question: did AT point out in the dbz manga that an ordinary human with a pl of 5 has a nuke power? take note ordinary human with a shotgun

If power levels are a linear scale of destructive power as you assume they are.

saiyan arc-vegeta shows he can destroy the earth in one hit.

No, he claimed that. He never proved it.

if the increased is not linear, why would he afraid of freeza with a pl of 530000

Because Freiza was stronger than him? It doesn't matter how much stronger, just that he was stronger.

or raditz arc-piccolo should also have a hard time destroying the moon like roshi but piccolo destroyed it with no effort which means it's linear

No it doesn't, all it means was that Picollo at that point was stronger than Roshi. To prove a linear scale you have to prove a mathematical correlation, which you have yet to do.

pl of 5 have a power of a nuke is non-sense.

It would be far beyond any nuke ever built on earth, according to the hypothesis of a linear scale. That's what your theory predicts, so that's what you must deal with if you want to keep claiming that.

it only point out human with no power which means the pl of 5 is a normal human

Then it's not linear or logical.

Originally posted by qazwsxe
you don't need feats in dbz if you're ki is higher or bigger like doubler. this is not DC you know.

Yes you do, or else it's just meaningless hyperbole, like Batman saying the Ten - Eyed Man was the most dangerous man on Earth.

in dc/marvel you need feats to prove you are worthy.

Which is the same in any fictional universe. You can't get away with unfounded speculation and extrapolation without actual feats to back it up, or it means absolutely nothing.

superman can't take a full charge of thousand times planet buster attack because redemption's one-hit attack didn't even danger the whole planet and superman have a hard time to beat him.

You can't define a character by low - end showings.

Furthermore, no one in DBZ is anywhere near firing a thousand times planet destroying attack. At most they can destroy a large planet 10 times the size of earth, because that is the most they have demonstrated. Superman took the full power of the Mageddon Warhead, which could have destroyed half of an entire galaxy.

Originally posted by Maistro
Its the fact that it hurt him and there was no danger for the planet is what matter in the statement posted. You guys all seem to forget one thing the Z-Fighters move a amazing speed aswell and the only reason we get to seem them so often is because it wouldn't have been fun to see multiple stripes going head to head all the time, the fights were portaiyed as if we were watching through Z-Warrior eyes, the regular people in the serie always where hardly capable of seeing anything from the fights ( look at the stunned faces in tournaments and such ) they hardly realise what their seeing. Its just [b]WE were able to see what was going on because it would have been quite dull for us if it wasn't [/B]

Except in the Cell games the announcer and audience and Chichi were able to see and comment on what was going on, Hercule/Mr. Satan was able to see Goku fighting Kid Buu, that kind of thing happens all the time. DBZ characters can move faster than the eye can see for short bursts, not for entire fights (unless the fight only lasts a few seconds).

Originally posted by qazwsxe
the way of dc/marvel is the bigger the explosion, the stronger.

in dbz no matter how less destructive the attack, what count most is the power level or size of the ki because that is what the manga is trying to point out not your question.

also, they can control the size of their energy attacks, that is the one of the reason.

The energy has to go somewhere. You can't assume that every blast can destroy a planet yet when it hits the ground, it only makes a 10 - foot crater.

Whenever a blast in DBZ is going to destroy a planet, they always make a big deal about it and everyone starts freaking out and worrying, but for the average normal blast they don't do that, yet the characters still get injured by normal blasts that can only destroy small hills or create small craters.

Lol, yeah, DBZ characters aren't that invulnerable which is an important factor when you're going up against Superman. They also aren't very strong physically so Superman would tear apart any DB/Z/GT character that has the guts to step up to him. This thread needs to die.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Lol, yeah, DBZ characters aren't that invulnerable which is an important factor when you're going up against Superman. They also aren't very strong physically so Superman would tear apart any DB/Z/GT character that has the guts to step up to him. This thread needs to die.

you obvously don't know anything about dbz. and ah your account on here needs to die.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The energy has to go somewhere. You can't assume that every blast can destroy a planet yet when it hits the ground, it only makes a 10 - foot crater.

Whenever a blast in DBZ is going to destroy a planet, they always make a big deal about it and everyone starts freaking out and worrying, but for the average normal blast they don't do that, yet the characters still get injured by normal blasts that can only destroy small hills or create small craters.

in the world tornment before the buu saga goku mentions that trunks and control is energy blast which hit the ground and did nothing then when he wanted it to make an explostion compairable to a nuke. they can control the intensity of the blast at any point. if they don't want it to destroy the planet it won't and other characters can tell if they do or don't.

once again the only good fight of any character from dbz and superman is namik saga goku and superman. other characters would be too week or too powerful. Supes is not the super god this thread makes him out to be but he is tuff just not planet destroying tuff in my opinon, why because he's never destroyed a planet or even lifted one with out help or a power up. there I said it. also the only villins I seen listed that could destroy a planet or have was the sky father level and above ones. which supes doesn't solo with out major PIS

once again the only good fight of any character from dbz and superman is namik saga goku and superman. other characters would be too week or too powerful. Supes is not the super god this thread makes him out to be but he is tuff just not planet destroying tuff in my opinon, why because he's never destroyed a planet or even lifted one with out help or a power up. there I said it. also the only villins I seen listed that could destroy a planet or have was the sky father level and above ones. which supes doesn't solo with out major PIS

Skyfathers blow up galaxies and shake reality. Plenty of herald levelers are capable of planetary distruction. Orion, Green lantern. On the marvel side Thor and the Silver surfer etc. Please go onto the versus forum and insist only skyfathers can destroy planets. They'll eat you alive.

Your underating comic book characters. Superman's survived forces vastly in excess of planetary distruction. Goku has no physical feats which put him at a 10th of Superman's power. How does Goku win?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Skyfathers blow up galaxies and shake reality. Plenty of herald levelers are capable of planetary distruction. Orion, Green lantern. On the marvel side Thor and the Silver surfer etc. Please go onto the versus forum and insist only skyfathers can destroy planets. They'll eat you alive.

Your underating comic book characters. Superman's survived forces vastly in excess of planetary distruction. Goku has no physical feats which put him at a 10th of Superman's power. How does Goku win?

also in the vs. forum there is something called PIS plot induced stupity like supes being unaffected by a planetary explosion, or silver surfer absorbing a star. such things are as criedible as wolverine cuting up king thor or beating hulk. however on this forum there is a double standard for top teir characters and street level characters.

plus I think you misunderstand me other then the skyfather level characters and above you listed (like mr. mxy and imperlex prime who can do what you said about sky fathers) the others have not blown up a planet on their own.

also my other point is still correct about post crisis supes not moveing a planet with out a power up (like sun diping) or other help ( like wonderwoman and MM)

goku doesn't have to kill supes to win just knock him out like hawkman did or other characters. This KMC supes does not exist.

Originally posted by jasofisc
in the world tornment before the buu saga goku mentions that trunks and control is energy blast which hit the ground and did nothing then when he wanted it to make an explostion compairable to a nuke. they can control the intensity of the blast at any point. if they don't want it to destroy the planet it won't and other characters can tell if they do or don't.

You can't just make energy disappear (unless you're Oblivion or something).

All that happened was that Trunks directed his attack upwards so it didn't hit anything.

Originally posted by jasofisc
once again the only good fight of any character from dbz and superman is namik saga goku and superman. other characters would be too week or too powerful. Supes is not the super god this thread makes him out to be but he is tuff just not planet destroying tuff in my opinon, why because he's never destroyed a planet or even lifted one with out help or a power up.

Neither has Goku.

there I said it. also the only villins I seen listed that could destroy a planet or have was the sky father level and above ones. which supes doesn't solo with out major PIS

Kyle Rayner destroyed Oa with a casual blast from his power ring.... Superman is above him in fighting ability.

Originally posted by jasofisc
also in the vs. forum there is something called PIS plot induced stupity like supes being unaffected by a planetary explosion

Except that happens all the time.

or silver surfer absorbing a star.

Except he's done that multiple times.

plus I think you misunderstand me other then the skyfather level characters and above you listed (like mr. mxy and imperlex prime who can do what you said about sky fathers)

Those guys are way above Skyfather.

the others have not blown up a planet on their own.

Do they need to? I mean it's not like everyone goes around blowing up planets for no reason, as long as they demonstrate more than enough energy to do so.

also my other point is still correct about post crisis supes not moveing a planet with out a power up (like sun diping) or other help ( like wonderwoman and MM)

And Goku can't lift 40 tons without powering up.

goku doesn't have to kill supes to win just knock him out like hawkman did or other characters. This KMC supes does not exist.

Because Goku can hit him with the weight of the entire earth?

Don't make me laugh.

Not to mention even in that instance Superman was just pretending to be knocked out.