Originally posted by Endless Mike
You can't just make energy disappear (unless you're Oblivion or something).All that happened was that Trunks directed his attack upwards so it didn't hit anything.
I took it to mean that they have complete control of there power condisdering how gohan but all his power into his kama ha against cell and it didn't destroy the earth.
just a differnce of opinion and it makes since out of the time they block planet destroying blasts
Originally posted by jasofisc
I took it to mean that they have complete control of there power condisdering how gohan but all his power into his kama ha against cell and it didn't destroy the earth.
Because the excess flew off into space.
just a differnce of opinion and it makes since out of the time they block planet destroying blasts
Then those blasts weren't really planet destroying (unless they flew off into space, then they could have been).
Ok, a powerlevel of 5 is a regular human powerlevel. I have no idea where your getting this idea that it somehow has the ability to do ANYTHING let alone "nuke the world" When Piccolo destroyed the moon his full powerlevel was about 1,400. So thats what it takes to destroy the moon as a minimum, he is over 200x stronger then a regular human at this point. Other then that I have no F*ing idea what your all taking about this powerlevel of 5 being able to nuke things. It literally makes zero sense.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Ok, a powerlevel of 5 is a regular human powerlevel. I have no idea where your getting this idea that it somehow has the ability to do ANYTHING let alone "nuke the world" When Piccolo destroyed the moon his full powerlevel was about 1,400. So thats what it takes to destroy the moon as a minimum, he is over 200x stronger then a regular human at this point. Other then that I have no F*ing idea what your all taking about this powerlevel of 5 being able to nuke things. It literally makes zero sense.
Roshi destroyed the moon with a PL of 139.
If you claim power levels are a linear scale (etc. dividing the larger PLs to assume they can destroy tons of planets), you can apply that logic to the farmer and say he has more power than all of the world's nuclear arsenals. Of course you don't want to do that because it will reveal that your hypothesis is bunk.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Roshi destroyed the moon with a PL of 139.If you claim power levels are a linear scale (etc. dividing the larger PLs to assume they can destroy tons of planets), you can apply that logic to the farmer and say he has more power than all of the world's nuclear arsenals. Of course you don't want to do that because it will reveal that your hypothesis is bunk.
I still don't see what you mean. How do you know how much power is equivalent to the worlds nuclear arsenal? You don't, your just making Sh!t up. I forgot about Roshi destroying the moon, so a powerlevel of 139 is capable of doing it. What does that mean? That means that Roshi was 28x stronger then a normal human. Thats all it means. That means that a powerlevel of 278 can destroy a moon twice etc. You cant "backwards extrapolate" it makes no sense at all, you have nothing to quantify it.
Plus, in DBZ people need to know HOW to use that power, people just dont have normal access to it. A powerlevel that low would be even weaker then Goku's first kamehameha wave that only put a hole in a car, Goku's powerlevel is 10 at this point.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I still don't see what you mean. How do you know how much power is equivalent to the worlds nuclear arsenal? You don't, your just making Sh!t up.
Estimated total yield of the world's nuclear weapons at the height of the cold war = 20 gigatons.
I forgot about Roshi destroying the moon, so a powerlevel of 139 is capable of doing it. What does that mean? That means that Roshi was 28x stronger then a normal human. Thats all it means. That means that a powerlevel of 278 can destroy a moon twice etc. You cant "backwards extrapolate" it makes no sense at all, you have nothing to quantify it.
I can if you can extrapolate it to mean that a higher power level means more destructive force.
Plus, in DBZ people need to know HOW to use that power, people just dont have normal access to it. A powerlevel that low would be even weaker then Goku's first kamehameha wave that only put a hole in a car, Goku's powerlevel is 10 at this point.
Which just goes to show that power levels are meaningless for any kind of scientific or logical evaluation of the characters' actual power.
I still don't see what you mean. How do you know how much power is equivalent to the worlds nuclear arsenal? You don't, your just making Sh!t up. I forgot about Roshi destroying the moon, so a powerlevel of 139 is capable of doing it. What does that mean? That means that Roshi was 28x stronger then a normal human. Thats all it means. That means that a powerlevel of 278 can destroy a moon twice etc. You cant "backwards extrapolate" it makes no sense at all, you have nothing to quantify it.
You just agreed with what Endless Mike said. You just said Roshi has 28 times the power of a normal man. That mean by your working a normal man has the power within him to blow up 1/28th of the moon. You see how stupid that is? Of course you don't
Power level appears to work as an exponential curve. As there is a much vaster difference between a normal feat wise and Roshi feat wise than Roshi between and Freeza.
also in the vs. forum there is something called PIS plot induced stupity like supes being unaffected by a planetary explosion, or silver surfer absorbing a star. such things are as criedible as wolverine cuting up king thor or beating hulk. however on this forum there is a double standard for top teir characters and street level characters.
Ahh your going with the all feats that make Superman seem powerful don't count arguing technique. We've already had idiotic powerlevel calculations and the whoever writes it decides rant. All we need is the Goku is more skilled than Batman and Captain America combined argument and the circle will be complete.
You're not talking about PIS. The second two examples are, the first two aren't. PIS is Plot induced stupidity where a character does not fight at full potential to further the plot.
You're moaning about Sm vs FL. Where a character achieves something way outside they're range of power. However if feats of simile level can be found they don't fall into that.
I see why your arguing for Goku your view of Superman has him stuck in the Byrne era. Any feats that put him above that are bad writing. Very well I concede Goku will beat Superman as you see him. He'll loose horribly ageist Superman as portrayed by his high showings.
My god, you people have no idea about anything. Logic people..Logic. Read up on it, its very simple, its easy for most people to do.
Now I remember why I stopped arguing in this thread like 6 months ago. The Supes fanboys just make stuff up, and disregard anything that doesn't adhere to their narrow-minded views.
You realise if it is exponential then it actually works out better for the DBZ characters right? And actually makes my point stronger, right?
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You just agreed with what Endless Mike said. You just said Roshi has 28 times the power of a normal man. That mean by your working a normal man has the power within him to blow up 1/28th of the moon. You see how stupid that is? Of course you don'tPower level appears to work as an exponential curve. As there is a much vaster difference between a normal feat wise and Roshi feat wise than Roshi between and Freeza.
Ahh your going with the all feats that make Superman seem powerful don't count arguing technique. We've already had idiotic powerlevel calculations and the whoever writes it decides rant. All we need is the Goku is more skilled than Batman and Captain America combined argument and the circle will be complete.
You're not talking about PIS. The second two examples are, the first two aren't. PIS is Plot induced stupidity where a character does not fight at full potential to further the plot.
You're moaning about Sm vs FL. Where a character achieves something way outside they're range of power. However if feats of simile level can be found they don't fall into that.
I see why your arguing for Goku your view of Superman has him stuck in the Byrne era. Any feats that put him above that are bad writing. Very well I concede Goku will beat Superman as you see him. He'll loose horribly ageist Superman as portrayed by his high showings.
my opinion is 5 out of 5 Goku vs superman that's all I don't think goku can own current supes I think it will be a great fight and either one of the can take the win.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Goku is not in (comics)Superman's class.The one Superman that I would give Goku the wins on is the JLU animated version.
All his other insane versions (Tangent included!) beat Goku.
I guess if you mean child goku and before sayan saga goku you might be right. I'm still sticking to the idea that SSJ goku and normal post - crisis supes are close.
Originally posted by jasofisc
I guess if you mean child goku and before sayan saga goku you might be right. I'm still sticking to the idea that SSJ goku and normal post - crisis supes are close.
Completely disagree. They aren't even close. Physically...they just don't come even close to matching up. Energy is at least more debatable.
Perhaps someone should create a respect thread for Goku so that things could be compared a lot more easily.
Until then...JLU animated Superman is the best Goku could hope to beat.
Comics Superman (and a host of other MU/DC) characters would be too much to handle.