Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

You realise if it is exponential then it actually works out better for the DBZ characters right? And actually makes my point stronger, right

Sorry I meant a logorithmic curve. God know why I though exponential. Well done on catching me.

Now I remember why I stopped arguing in this thread like 6 months ago. The Supes fanboys just make stuff up, and disregard anything that doesn't adhere to their narrow-minded views.

Care to point out something we've said that is untrue. Why would we need to lie? We have a meaty respect thread to draw info from.

I feel that currently, it is leaning towards superman as the victor. There are not enough good arguments for DBZ right now.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which just goes to show that power levels are meaningless for any kind of scientific or logical evaluation of the characters' actual power.

This, my friends is a perfect statement. It could not have been better. These power levels are illogical to begin with.

The only rationalization I could come up with when I argued this point years ago was the fact that these "power levels" were actually measurements of one's Ki.

This would explain why Goku's power level increased when he was powering up for the first Kamehameha wave against Radditz. To further the point of a power level, a power level does not measure the ability of one to control the power. If one can channel or control their Ki, again this is all in the DB universe, they can make themselves much stronger...much much stronger. Think of it as comparable to "matter into energy conversion" such as the annihilation of antiparticle and particle of the same mass. It is thought, in and outside of the DBZ universe, the one can harness their Ki(or chi) to be much more powerful than they are capable of and in fact, it actually happens and it holds truth. If anyone has taken martial arts, one that is worth something, then they would know what I was talking about. This is where Toriyama got the idea from...kind of like George Lucas getting the idea for "knights" with a “Jedi Code” from the medieval times.

Now that the Ki thing is out of the way, proceed with my entertainment.

Now, if only the machines from "The Matrix" could have harnessed the humans Ki a little better, we would not all be enslaved right now.

Originally posted by jasofisc
that is so crazy how can he do that, in one issue and get owned so bad by an imperlex probe so bad that he had to be on life support the next.

Probes vary in power. The highest end ones can take multiple galaxy destroying implosions.

The idea that power levels scale up but not down is logically inconsistent.

Whatever the outcome of this discussion will be im sure everyone can agree that the topic title is not going to happen not even in a million years

Originally posted by Maistro
Whatever the outcome of this discussion will be im sure everyone can agree that the topic title is not going to happen not even in a million years

After only 83,000 years he became Superman Prime.... after a million I wouldn't be surprised if he was LT level.

Even so the entire cast of the DB/DBZ/DBGT combined is to much for anyone to handle

*EDIT*
same statement as above just with all DBGT chars 😛

Originally posted by Maistro
Even so the entire cast of the DB/DBZ/DBGT combined is to much for anyone to handle

*EDIT*
same statement as above just with all DBGT chars 😛

I could name dozens of characters off the top of my head that could easily solo the entire DBU.

Originally posted by Maistro
Even so the entire cast of the DB/DBZ/DBGT combined is to much for anyone to handle

*EDIT*
same statement as above just with all DBGT chars 😛

If Superman couldn't do it, the X-men would school them all 😄

Superman can beat all the DBZ characters in one on one combat, not the entirety of the DBZ gallery. Basically, Superman is more powerful than any single member of DBZ.

He's taken galaxy destroying blasts and still lived, reality altering blasts and still lived, perfomed more awesome strength and speed feats than any DBZ character. So it's safe to assume he's more powerful than Goku and Buu. Nevertheless, Goku would give him quite the fight.

New thread!

Martian Manhunter can beat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman can beat all the DBZ characters in one on one combat, not the entirety of the DBZ gallery. Basically, Superman is more powerful than any single member of DBZ.

He's taken galaxy destroying blasts and still lived, reality altering blasts and still lived, perfomed more awesome strength and speed feats than any DBZ character. So it's safe to assume he's more powerful than Goku and Buu. Nevertheless, Goku would give him quite the fight.

I seriously don't know how to reason with someone like this. those feat are total pis if not superman is obvoulsy sky father level and the quentisesses should grant him membership. Who can beat this superman of yours. no one not even odin who has not delt galaxy destroying blast. Even Loab's superman isn't close to the superman thread superman that every one talks about. at least loab's superman can be beaten unlike this superman that this thread is always talking about.

I actually like this thread now just because I like to find out how univerasly powerfull superman really is and how superman haters like loeb much make scale him down because his superman is nothing compared this superman that I keep hearing about

I keep forgetting how post crisis supes has infinit streanghth and infinit durablilty

this is rich, people just mention a couple of precrisis feats or low end PIS feats{absorbing megido warhead etc, which is total BS}, and think he stands a chance against the like of goku/gohan/vegeta. thas ridiculous, hes not even at planet destroying level as far as average power is considered{no PIS, but both high end and low end feats}. goku, even before goin super sayin could destroy a planet much larger than earth{namek}. after going super sayin 1 he can toy with beings lite frieza who destroy planets without even giving it a second thought. at supersayin 2 he can f up even cell which was a combination of goku/vegeta/frieze/gohan/trunks/the three androids{each of which suc take down supersayins 1 s easiy} and a few others. he was easily on universe dominations/star system destroying level. then in GT{which i find ridiculous that people can even compare superman to gt characters} super sayin 4 goku is so freakin powerful that he can destroy galaxies. and dont even get me started on GOGETO{btw, goku also has instant teleportation which is instantaneous. and dont try to counter it with the supe's trip to the sun in 2 minutes, that was PIS due to the inability of the writer to know how long it takes even LIGHT to travel that distance, plus supes ALWAYS lost to flash in the normal realm as he could reach near, with great difficulty but not, AT lightspeed}. in summary, superman{slightly lower than even surfer/thor level} will die even against normal goku pre super sayin. furthermore, goku's power is magical/mystical, and thats what superman is weak against} byakuya

No one in the DBU can destroy galaxies or solar systems. Cell claimed he could but there was nothing to back it up.

You can't just claim that every feat you don't like is PIS. Superman is consistently portrayed as being FTL and invincible to multiple - supernova - level attacks.

this is rich, people just mention a couple of precrisis feats or low end PIS feats{absorbing megido warhead etc, which is total BS}, and think he stands a chance against the like of goku/gohan/vegeta. thas ridiculous, hes not even at planet destroying level as far as average power is considered{no PIS, but both high end and low end feats}. goku, even before goin super sayin could destroy a planet much larger than earth{namek}. after going super sayin 1 he can toy with beings lite frieza who destroy planets without even giving it a second thought. at supersayin 2 he can f up even cell which was a combination of goku/vegeta/frieze/gohan/trunks/the three androids{each of which suc take down supersayins 1 s easiy} and a few others. he was easily on universe dominations/star system destroying level. then in GT{which i find ridiculous that people can even compare superman to gt characters} super sayin 4 goku is so freakin powerful that he can destroy galaxies. and dont even get me started on GOGETO{btw, goku also has instant teleportation which is instantaneous. and dont try to counter it with the supe's trip to the sun in 2 minutes, that was PIS due to the inability of the writer to know how long it takes even LIGHT to travel that distance, plus supes ALWAYS lost to flash in the normal realm as he could reach near, with great difficulty but not, AT lightspeed}. in summary, superman{slightly lower than even surfer/thor level} will die even against normal goku pre super sayin. furthermore, goku's power is magical/mystical, and thats what superman is weak against} byakuya

Holy wall of text Batman!

So another person goes with the all feats that would make them loose don't count. Yet here we have someone blatently making up feats for the Z crew.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
this is rich, people just mention a couple of precrisis feats or low end PIS feats{absorbing megido warhead etc, which is total BS}, and think he stands a chance against the like of goku/gohan/vegeta. thas ridiculous, hes not even at planet destroying level as far as average power is considered{no PIS, but both high end and low end feats}. goku, even before goin super sayin could destroy a planet much larger than earth{namek}. after going super sayin 1 he can toy with beings lite frieza who destroy planets without even giving it a second thought. at supersayin 2 he can f up even cell which was a combination of goku/vegeta/frieze/gohan/trunks/the three androids{each of which suc take down supersayins 1 s easiy} and a few others. he was easily on universe dominations/star system destroying level. then in GT{which i find ridiculous that people can even compare superman to gt characters} super sayin 4 goku is so freakin powerful that he can destroy galaxies. and dont even get me started on GOGETO{btw, goku also has instant teleportation which is instantaneous. and dont try to counter it with the supe's trip to the sun in 2 minutes, that was PIS due to the inability of the writer to know how long it takes even LIGHT to travel that distance, plus supes ALWAYS lost to flash in the normal realm as he could reach near, with great difficulty but not, AT lightspeed}. in summary, superman{slightly lower than even surfer/thor level} will die even against normal goku pre super sayin. furthermore, goku's power is magical/mystical, and thats what superman is weak against} byakuya

By the way, what do you make of Superman crossing 25 lightyears in a handful of seconds in the newest countdown?

cell was the final evolution of many beings, each able to destroy far more than a planet, it makes sense that he could destroy solar systems. even the individual androids were far beyond simlpy planet destroying level. whose making up feats????????????????????? i was referring to the fight betweem frieza and goku. and that was before goku had even mastered the super sayin 1 transformation. u do remember that even the weakest super sayin trunks was able to easily deflect 20 times more energy than was required to destroy namek leisurely with a single hand{when the half bionic frieza tried to destroy earth before goku landed}. super sayin 2s are EXPONENTIALLY more powerful and gohan was definately at the kind of level that cel mentioned. problem is, even though SUNBATHED superman "MIGHT" HAVE HAD A SMALL CHANCE AGAINST GOHAN THEN, OR ENERGY SUPERMAN MIGHT HAVE HAD A CHANCE, THE CREATOR OF THE FORUM SAID "DRAGON BALL GT CHARACTERS" which is absolutely ridiculous. supersayin 4 goku is SO far beyond even skyfather level that its not evenm funny, hes many many many MANY times more powerful than super sayin 2, plus mystical gohan, not to mention GOGETO. it is ridiculous to claim that ANY superman other than MAYBE superman 1 million, superman prime could stand a chance against even super sayin 2 or 3. the ONLY superman who cud take on gogeto is precrisis superman.

im not simply saying all his feats which i dont LIKE are PIS, im saying theyr INCONSISTANT, superman has destroyed moons when he was ENRAGED. he has CLAIMED{if i turn the tables here} to punch the earth out of orbit. ALL of his beyond lightspeed feats are PIS seeing by the fact that officially he POSITIVELY can approach near lightspeed at best and ALWAYS, loses to flash when flash is in the physical worl{non speed force realm} and in the physical world, flash can at best go at lightspeed. the megido warhead is discrepent as superman has been constantly hurt/put down by beings who dont even have planet shattering strength. and a galaxy's destruction requires trillions of times that energy. ofcourse discrepancies like that are bound to happen, but to get a true guage of the characters abilities, you look at high end feats, low end feaths, and everything in between and get an average power level. and im sorry, normal post crisis superman, can at BEST go up against pre super sayin goku. with speed blitz, he MIGHT stand a chance against super sayin 1 goku before he learnt teleportation or mastery over his transformation. but thas it. goku still wont be LOSING.

You're logic's appalling. I mean really. All your doing is giving the same old argument of Goku can blow up teh planets. You as with jasofisc both seem to think of Superman as he was in the mid nineties. Also Flash has many feats above lightspeed.

By the way, what do you make of Superman crossing 25 lightyears in a handful of seconds in the newest countdown?

Something Superman said in a JLA comic 10 years ago supersedes any feat since. Anything that contradicts it is bad writing even if written by some of comicdoms best writers. To my knowledge that's the last time Superman's said that. Though the situation is iffy because Zeta beams can't be lightspeed as they travel across the galaxy in moments.

Seriously though, it's a good feat which matches the FTL feat from infinite crisis. They seem to be edging Superman back to pre crisis levels. Hopefully with once we get a few more inter system travel feats we can put this stupid argument to rest.