Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Come on they don't always use the Nuh uh excuse, they also use all the filler scenes from DBZ which make them look weaker, like the famouse SSJ2 Goku moving the mountain, which I say again didn't happen!!!
In other words stop using it as evidence, unless you want me to say in the Superman Cartoon Batman threw Superman over his shoulder, prooving he was fast enough to get the drop on him, and had the nessercary strength to through Superman so he couldn't stop himself while falling.

You see it works 2 ways you know.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Come on they don't always use the Nuh uh excuse, they also use all the filler scenes from DBZ which make them look weaker, like the famouse SSJ2 Goku moving the mountain, which I say again didn't happen!!!
In other words stop using it as evidence, unless you want me to say in the Superman Cartoon Batman threw Superman over his shoulder, prooving he was fast enough to get the drop on him, and had the nessercary strength to through Superman so he couldn't stop himself while falling.

You see it works 2 ways you know.

Then give an example of Goku lifting/moving something that Superman can't (an don't say a kryptonite rock).

Originally posted by jinzin
yet when radditz moves faster than the speed of light and 6 years later warriors millions of times stronger faster and more powerful fight human beings can still see them fighting... is it because the DBZ characters got slower than they were during the sayian saga or was it PIS for the sake of entertainment?

Apparently so... why else would they take their time getting to places when they could be there instantly? When Krillin was "racing" to get to Android 18 to shut her down before Cell got to her, why did he take so long getting there? Why did Goku take his time on his way back from Snake Way, knowing his friends were dying? An even better one: why were the Z Warriors so impressed when Goku showed them his IT by taking Roshi's sunglasses, if they could all already do it instantly?

Other than assuming that the Z Fighters move at SoL during fights, none of you have yet to give an actual example of someone doing so with the IT.

Oh, and BTW, Superman's sneeze has destroyed a solar system.

Originally posted by The Unknown
Then give an example of Goku lifting/moving something that Superman can't (an don't say a kryptonite rock).

I can't soley because, he never lifts anything, the only things he ever "handles" are energy attacks being fired at him, as I'v said before because of these facts this is why you can't match these 2 up because we don't know Goku's limitations when putting him against a Marvel or DC character, unless its just plain obviouse like Batman or Spider-man.

Originally posted by The Unknown
Oh, and BTW, Superman's sneeze has destroyed a solar system. [/B]

Originally posted by Skeets
1That was pre-crisis supes and 2 that wasn't under his own power..

1. I know it was Pre-Crisis Superman, and that doesn't matter.
2. That doesn't matter, either; he still did it.

Originally posted by The Unknown
1. I know it was Pre-Crisis Superman, and that doesn't matter.
2. That doesn't matter, either; he still did it.

Originally posted by Skeets
yes,it does matter there's a big difference between pre-crisis superman and Post crisis superman.
yeah,he did it with the help of some magic isn't much of a feat now is it.

1. I know there's a big difference, but that doesn't matter in this debate.
2. The magic caused him to sneeze, not the effects of the sneeze. What you said is like saying that if Babidi used magic to make Goku stomp his feet, then the earthquakes were caused by Babidi's magic.

You're wasting energy

Originally posted by The Unknown
Apparently so... why else would they take their time getting to places when they could be there instantly? When Krillin was "racing" to get to Android 18 to shut her down before Cell got to her, why did he take so long getting there? Why did Goku take his time on his way back from Snake Way, knowing his friends were dying? An even better one: [B]why were the Z Warriors so impressed when Goku showed them his IT by taking Roshi's sunglasses, if they could all already do it instantly?

Other than assuming that the Z Fighters move at SoL during fights, none of you have yet to give an actual example of someone doing so with the IT.

Oh, and BTW, Superman's sneeze has destroyed a solar system. [/B]

okay fine! supes got stuffed mid speedblitz by batman with a can of mace... he can't even dodge a can of mace much less light beams.

Originally posted by The Unknown
1. I know there's a big difference, but that doesn't matter in this debate.
2. The magic caused him to sneeze, not the effects of the sneeze. What you said is like saying that if Babidi used magic to make Goku stomp his feet, then the earthquakes were caused by Babidi's magic.

oh so irrelivant shit matters to this thread?

okay goku at his best is combined with the dragonballs.. not only can he wish superman out of existance with a thought by the end of DBGT but he's a magical character.. what does supes suck against aside from kryptonite? oh yeah! 😱 magic! goku wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes yes I have.. I've PROVEN it using piccolo's light of death.. you haven't been able to disprove it yet... and again.. the answer to your question is simple... PIS. or PLOT HOLES... for the sake of story telling.. how many times do i have to tell you this?

okay fine! supes got stuffed mid speedblitz by batman with a can of mace... he can't even dodge a can of mace much less light beams.

It was never stated that Radditz moved at speed of light. Radditz just moved so fast, that Piccolo questioned if he did.

Also, it's not a plot hole, since IT HAS NEVER BEEN SHOWN NOR STATED THAT THEY CAN MOVE EVEN CLOSE TO SoL.

As for the Batman thing, we're doing Goku and Superman at their strongest. I'm guessing that scene was from the cartoon?

Originally posted by jinzin
oh so irrelivant shit matters to this thread?

okay goku at his best is combined with the dragonballs.. not only can he wish superman out of existance with a thought by the end of DBGT but he's a magical character.. what does supes suck against aside from kryptonite? oh yeah! 😱 magic! goku wins.

1. GT if filler, which you all have repeatedly said doesn't count (although I don't care whether it is or not).
2. That would be outside help, since it's not Goku himself, but rather Goku using the dragonball's powers.
3. Where exactly is it said that Goku has magic powers after GT?

no listen.. light takes 1.45 seconds to reach teh moon from the earth.. piccolo blasted the shit out of the moon with a beam that took 2 seconds to get there.. therfore, radditz was able to dodge an attack that was near the spead of light... power levels are RELATIVE to speed, strength, durability, and power... if your power level goes up so do ALL of those attributes... goku proved this with kao ken... now if radditz could sidestep an attack that move near the speed of light AFTER it was fired at him, then any character with a powerlevel of 3,000 or higher can move fast enough to react to light speed attacks.. it's simplistic logic.. you can't disprove it either.. all you can do is sit there and hopeless through out nu-uhs at me...

and again, they don't move close to SOL they by FAR exceed SOL.. even sans my light of death argument, goku STILL Has IT which is super fast movement that puts SoL to shame.

NO, WE'RE doing supes and goku at their strongest.. YOU keep bringing up low end dbz feats and pretending that's their limitation.... it isn't... as I've proven.

but if you keep using low end feats like a standard for dbz than I'm going to pull out an assload of supes low end feats that make him look like a little *****! and he'll still lose!

and no hat feat came out of canon comics! eat THAT!

Originally posted by The Unknown

I'm guessing that scene was from the cartoon?

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"gt blah blah blah"

Well At the end of Gt, the dragon balls went inside Goku and fused with him, meaning goku and the Dragon plus powers are one and the same person now, not goku using the Dragons powers because Goku is the Dragon which was the MAGICAL enternal Dragon.

A side note is
Magin Buu could probably beat Supes since he is a Pure magical
Creature,Oh and Mystic Gohan got his powers by the magical Kai.

Originally posted by The Unknown
1. GT if filler, which you all have repeatedly said doesn't count (although I don't care whether it is or not).
2. That would be outside help, since it's not Goku himself, but rather Goku using the dragonball's powers.
3. Where exactly is it said that Goku has magic powers after GT?

1. this thread attacks GT characters therefore I can use GT characters.... 😕 the only one supporting DBZ that's in favor of only canon is sparks...

2. but a version of superman that no longer exists using magic to sneaze out a solar system isn't outside help? 😬

you ARE aware of what hypocracy IS right?

3. it's self explanitory if you know jack shit about the dragonballs.... 🤨

Originally posted by Ritoshi
Comics

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"gt blah blah blah"

Well At the end of Gt, the dragon balls went inside Goku and fused with him, meaning goku and the Dragon plus powers are one and the same person now, not goku using the Dragons powers because Goku is the Dragon which was the MAGICAL enternal Dragon.

A side note is
Magin Buu could probably beat Supes since he is a Pure magical
Creature,Oh and Mystic Gohan got his powers by the magical Kai.

Originally posted by Ritoshi
Comics

😐

"gt blah blah blah"

Well At the end of Gt, the dragon balls went inside Goku and fused with him, meaning goku and the Dragon plus powers are one and the same person now, not goku using the Dragons powers because Goku is the Dragon which was the MAGICAL enternal Dragon.

That doesn't mean that Goku has unlimited magical power. It's just another assumption.

Originally posted by jinzin
no listen.. light takes 1.45 seconds to reach teh moon from the earth.. piccolo blasted the shit out of the moon with a beam that took 2 seconds to get there.. therfore, radditz was able to dodge an attack that was near the spead of light... power levels are RELATIVE to speed, strength, durability, and power... if your power level goes up so do ALL of those attributes... goku proved this with kao ken... now if radditz could sidestep an attack that move near the speed of light AFTER it was fired at him, then any character with a powerlevel of 3,000 or higher can move fast enough to react to light speed attacks.. it's simplistic logic.. you can't disprove it either.. all you can do is sit there and hopeless through out nu-uhs at me...

and again, they don't move close to SOL they by FAR exceed SOL.. even sans my light of death argument, goku STILL Has IT which is super fast movement that puts SoL to shame.

NO, WE'RE doing supes and goku at their strongest.. YOU keep bringing up low end dbz feats and pretending that's their limitation.... it isn't... as I've proven.

but if you keep using low end feats like a standard for dbz than I'm going to pull out an assload of supes low end feats that make him look like a little *****! and he'll still lose!

and no hat feat came out of canon comics! eat THAT!

Yeah 😂

Oh yeah, Vegeta's Final flash at the time full power shot far into space in seconds, and it was stated that he shot it off on an angle at the side of the earth so it won't blow up the earth.

Gohan's ssj2 Kamehameha also shot off the side of the earth.

Originally posted by jinzin
dude any DBZ character after the saiyan sage would hand supes his ass... 😕 magic or not.