Originally posted by Endless Mike
Doomsday could jump 10 miles at once to another city, while most of the fight took place on the ground. Superman stated that he didn't just fly away and attack from space or something because the Doomsday would be given extra chances to smash up cities and people on the ground and he wanted to keep him occupied so he didn't harm too many innocent people.
what the hell did that have to do with anything?
Originally posted by fanboy 1988
No I'm not joking.. There's not many main villains Piccolo ever beat on his own. He has no problem taking out henchman, but can't do jack to anyone that's really a threat..He beat Raditz WITH Goku's help
He couldn't beat Napa
He couldn't Vegeta
He couldn't beat Freiza
He couldn't beat android 17
He couldn't beat Cell
He couldn't beat Cooler
He couldn't beat Bojack
He couldn't beat Broly
He couldn't beat Lord SlugThe list goes on and on, Piccolo talks a tough talk but commonly gets his ass handed to him in a bad fashion by who ever the top guy is at the time
First off.. not being able to beat those villains isn't exactly an insult to piccollo.
Second, it all depends on which part of the series you pull piccolo from. Cell sage piccolo would terminate raditz or freiza for that matter in an issue of seconds.
So while you've listed a number of villains capible of beating pic at ONE given place and time you haven't touched upon your original statment with the cooler thing.. Which if you're serious, and you honestly believe planet busting was outside of cooler's ability then you either need to check up on your DBZ or you need your head examined. 😬
Originally posted by Endless MikeNo one said they were, though DD was speedblitzing everyone quite a bit during that fight, the point is they were STILL fighting at speeds that you wouldn't be able to follow, but people were watching it on T.V. so they must not be able to go by those speeds.. at least if we follow the superman fan theory of logic.. 😕
Just to explain why they didn't fight all over the place and zip from one point to another every fraction of a second.
Originally posted by Kento
Because he's extremely weak in ki. He flies around on Buu's back so either he's very lazy or he can't keep up. And if he was fast enough to keep up he'd be a lot bigger threat.
Ahhh i see... so the human torch can't actually fly fast because he uses the FF jet right?
no I got it! rogue can't fly fast because she uses the blackbird right?
No wait! Superman, WW, and MM can't fly fast because they use the justice league vessels right?
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Originally posted by Kento
Wasn't Flash only around the speed of sound at that time?
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Originally posted by Kento
Though I don't ever remember Doomsday going speed of sound at the time he killed Superman. Also I've never heard of Spidey going faster than people can see. Nor Logan, never read anything involving Slade.
His fighting speed was mentioned several times in that encounter and he speedblitzed the entire JL with superman right there as well.
Slade has a couple, Spidey has several, Wolverine has nearly a dozen off hand.
Originally posted by Kento
And what arguments were made and ignored?
Almost all of them. 😕
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Because I already explained this to you. Doomsday's reaction speed greatly exceeded his movement speed. As in he could react to and smack down people while staying in generally the same area, but he can't run around the world in a second or less like the Flash can.
And? They were still fighting faster than you could watch at home on T.V. keep in mind AGAIN supes and just about everyone else WAS flying around during the fight.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yes..watching you do it over and over again can make anyone a pro..from a spectators point of view.😉
Perhaps, but in my defense I can't help but be in denial.. I just keep refusing to accept that common sense and logic will just continue to deflect of your hides like bullets do Clark; but I keep coming back to this thread out of denial of that and you keep proving me wrong. 😉
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAmbient energy... 😐
Any and all ambient energy..including the entire EM spectrum.
OOOOk and that relates to Goku taking energy from people because?.... 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
Perhaps, but in my defense I can't help but be in denial.. I just keep refusing to accept common sense and logic. I keep coming back to this thread out of denial of that and you keep proving me wrong. 😉
🙂 Well said.
Originally posted by jinzin
Ambient energy... 😐OOOOk and that relates to Goku taking energy from people because?.... 😕
Ambient energy..the stuff Goku has begged for? Except that it takes ages for him to get it?
Power level in the millions? Sound familiar? Go ahead...try to downplay it because it destroys your silly "argument."
Actually, every time a saiyan ascends to a new level, their power level increases exponentially. I would put SSJ4 in the hundreds of billion or even trillions as far a power levels go...but even at SSJ3, goku almost ripped apart planet earth just from his power up alone and his power could be felt all the way across the universe at the Supreme Ki's planet and they were just in awe of how powerful Goku was at SSJ3.
Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqb3gNsptzM&mode=related&search=
This video does not show the part where the Supreme Ki shits himself because of the power.
Why am I arguing for DBZ's side? Simple, DBZ is getting its ass kicked in this debate.
When superman powers up, does he almost destroy a planet? No because there are no power ups like that for superman...he is already strong. (he just removes a mental block and he is like...BAM!!!)
Superman cannot survive without breath forever.
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanvol2007p20ne7.jpg
This came from a different thread.
Except that power levels are meaningless in any actual comparison of ability, as has already been shown. Goku's feats at SSJ3 don't put him at all that much greater than his feats at SSJ1 do, and his feats at SSJ4 make him seem actually weaker than SSJ1 (considering GT is non - canon crap, this is not surprising).
Originally posted by dadudemon
Superman cannot survive without breath forever.http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanvol2007p20ne7.jpg
This came from a different thread.
"cough" bryne "cough"
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except that power levels are meaningless in any actual comparison of ability, as has already been shown. Goku's feats at SSJ3 don't put him at all that much greater than his feats at SSJ1 do, and his feats at SSJ4 make him seem actually weaker than SSJ1 (considering GT is non - canon crap, this is not surprising).
I agree...you are preaching to the choir.
I have already pointed out the rediculousness of comparing the two universes and I have already pointed out how stupid DBZ is on so many levels that it can't be compared to anything logically.
Supporting DBZ is an uphill battle, by leaps and bounds.
I agree that in GT, they seem weaker. By the time SSJ4 is reached, whole quarters of galaxies hould have been destroyed with one regular blast...inside the DBZ universe of course.
I only brought up the power level "thing" because it was being discussed at the time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree...you are preaching to the choir.I have already pointed out the rediculousness of comparing the two universes and I have already pointed out how stupid DBZ is on so many levels that it can't be compared to anything logically.
Supporting DBZ is an uphill battle, by leaps and bounds.
I agree that in GT, they seem weaker. By the time SSJ4 is reached, whole quarters of galaxies hould have been destroyed with one regular blast...inside the DBZ universe of course.
I only brought up the power level "thing" because it was being discussed at the time.
The funny thing about the "power level" thing is that Blackrock came back and was powered by "Billions of sources AMPLIFIED" the next time... and still lost..although it was a much better fight.
DBZpower levels sound more like computer mhz..where a 600 mhz pc is not twice as fast as a 300 mhz pc when benchmarked.
Are you crazy? Goku can destroy the solar system with a single a blast because cell said he could. Goku in ssj2 could easily do it if cell could. Vegeta destroyed a planet before he came to earth during the sayain saga, with a single energy blast that took practicaly no effort. Buu destroyed earth with a crazy ass looking smile on his face. Superman dies.
Originally posted by jinzin
First off.. not being able to beat those villains isn't exactly an insult to piccollo.
Second, it all depends on which part of the series you pull piccolo from. Cell sage piccolo would terminate raditz or freiza for that matter in an issue of seconds.So while you've listed a number of villains capible of beating pic at ONE given place and time you haven't touched upon your original statement with the cooler thing.. Which if you're serious, and you honestly believe planet busting was outside of cooler's ability then you either need to check up on your DBZ or you need your head examined. 😬
Wow, maybe I used to many big words in my first statement.. First off you need to start using spell check.. second, I never denied that Cooler wasn't a planet buster, he actually states he could blow up the sun if he really wanted to.. this is what I originally said
I saw Piccolo get his ass kicked by Cooler who shot him with an eye beam the certainly didn't look strong enough to destroy a moon or much of anything for that matter..
Piccolo got by a fraction of the power Cooler had, Cooler didn't even need to transform to smoke Piccolo's ass...
Originally posted by jinzin
Ahhh i see... so the human torch can't actually fly fast because he uses the FF jet right?no I got it! rogue can't fly fast because she uses the blackbird right?
No wait! Superman, WW, and MM can't fly fast because they use the justice league vessels right?
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And the difference between them and Babidi is the fact that he's never shown he can fly fast. He's a magician but he isn't that strong in ki. Also if he had the ability to keep up with the Z fighters and had his strong of magic then he would have had no need for Buu at all.
Originally posted by jinzin
His fighting speed was mentioned several times in that encounter and he speedblitzed the entire JL with superman right there as well.Slade has a couple, Spidey has several, Wolverine has nearly a dozen off hand.
Almost all of them. 😕 [/B]
It's been a while since I read the DOS soooo yea I don't remember. But obviously if they were seen they weren't going speed of light. Actually most of what I can remember are Superman and Doomsday sitting there slugging it out. Not hard to see that at all. Even then though they were still able to create shockwaves with their punches that were felt in nearby cities.
I'll have to go look in the respect threads of Logan and Spidey I've never thought of them ever being able to move faster than people could see.
And almost all of them really doesn't tell me what arguements you think have been ignored.
😕 Also what was the slowest speed Flash traveled at before he was able to go fully light speed?
