Originally posted by Kento
Trunks fires a ball faints, it stops Broli's ball, which I don't see how, then it shows a close up of Broli who fires a few more blasts that explode before they get to the large green ball blocking the Kamehameha, then the Kamehameha breaks through, Broli fires three more balls that get destroyed Broli gets his shield up and is blasted away with his shield on hits Sun gets killed.Well Vegeta was what put him over the edge and by all rights he should of had full energy because all he does is get koed as soon as he fights and that's at the end of the fight. It wasn't until Vegeta gave his energy that anything happened. The rest were fighting longer and shouldn't have had any energy...not even Gokou but Vegeta should be near full power.
Yes, Superman would be new to fighting but if Broli lasts long enough to begin to knock Superman back or anything with punches Superman would know something is going on. Or the fact that his punches that were working well are not being effective so he has to put a bit more power into it. He'll know something is happening and if he doesn't stop it before it gets out of control he'll have something he'll have a hard time handling. Assuming Broli could get that powerful but that's still an assumption. And he could just as easily freeze him or ko him then if he realized what is happening. And it wouldn't be hard to realize Broli is evil.
Not even power from Vegeta should've been able to allow Goku to defeat Broly. Broly had been powering up the whole fight & from what we saw he's stronger & more powerful than a Full Powered Super Saiyan (FPSSJ). Now, since Vegeta was knocked down from one hit & he could barely stand, I doubt that his energy should've been able to revive Goku's power & allow him to defeat Broly with one punch whereas Broly had been beating the crap out of them the whole fight. What's so special about Vegeta's energy anyway? He wasn't even stronger than Gohan at that point. If anything, it would've made more sense if they would've channeled their energy to Goku from the beginning. Either way, it's just one big plot hole.
Superman never truly goes all out so even if Broly began to be able to be on par with Superman, he'd start using a little more of his strength but he still wouldn't go all out.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
He was trying to kill Wonder Woman that way he was under an illusion to think she was Doomsday. He tried it on Darkseid too.
Big contradiction there. If he thought she was Doomsday & he was fooled, of course he'd try it or if it's someone who's a major threat like Darkseid, he may go to extreme lengths to defeat or possibly kill them. But Broly probably isn't that big of a threat to cause Superman to go to those extreme measures.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Not even power from Vegeta should've been able to allow Goku to defeat Broly. Broly had been powering up the whole fight & from what we saw he's stronger & more powerful than a Full Powered Super Saiyan (FPSSJ). Now, since Vegeta was knocked down from one hit & he could barely stand, I doubt that his energy should've been able to revive Goku's power & allow him to defeat Broly with one punch whereas Broly had been beating the crap out of them the whole fight. What's so special about Vegeta's energy anyway? He wasn't even stronger than Gohan at that point. If anything, it would've made more sense if they would've channeled their energy to Goku from the beginning. Either way, it's just one big plot hole.Superman never truly goes all out so even if Broly began to be able to be on par with Superman, he'd start using a little more of his strength but he still wouldn't go all out.
Vegeta got koed..He didn't use up any ki or anything so he should have had full energy for the most part just not able to move much from having his head smashed into a wall. He wasn't as bad off as the rest. And no Vegeta's power shouldn't have put Gokou up there with Broli but Vegeta should have been the only one with any power left to give...The rest, including Gokou, should have had very little left. It was a big plot hole and the beginning of the second one was even bigger. How did he find a space pod and get off the planet before it destroyed after being beaten by Gokou when Gokou ITed off the comet was about to hit the planet.
Superman doesn't go all out sure but he will stop something that is a threat to life. Broli fits that category very well. He'll destroy everything and he'll probably be trying to destroy everything while he's fighting. Superman isn't going to sit there going easy on him at all. He won't kill him but he's not going to let Broli destroy anything either.
Originally posted by Kento
Vegeta got koed..He didn't use up any ki or anything so he should have had full energy for the most part just not able to move much from having his head smashed into a wall. He wasn't as bad off as the rest. And no Vegeta's power shouldn't have put Gokou up there with Broli but Vegeta should have been the only one with any power left to give...The rest, including Gokou, should have had very little left. It was a big plot hole and the beginning of the second one was even bigger. How did he find a space pod and get off the planet before it destroyed after being beaten by Gokou when Gokou ITed off the comet was about to hit the planet.Superman doesn't go all out sure but he will stop something that is a threat to life. Broli fits that category very well. He'll destroy everything and he'll probably be trying to destroy everything while he's fighting. Superman isn't going to sit there going easy on him at all. He won't kill him but he's not going to let Broli destroy anything either.
Stupidest. Theory. Ever. If you become damaged in the world of Dragonball Z, you lose energy regardless of whether or not you've actually used Ki in the battle in which Vegeta did use Ki while fighting Broly. No matter if you haven't used a lot of energy during the battle, you can still lose it if you're getting the crap knocked out of you. It's just like when Goku went Super Saiyan 3 against Kid Buu. Even though he was conserving energy, he was still losing energy because of the damage he was taking. So no, that theory is flawed & Vegeta shouldn't have been the only one with power left to give. No one should have had any power left to give. If it were written in a logical way, everyone would've given their power to Goku from the start & he would've battled Broly until the end. Even if this was done, Broly was already too strong so no matter how you slice it, there is really no logical way to make Goku win without it involving plot holes.
I never said Superman would sit back & let Broly destroy the world. Since Broly's powers would be new to Superman, I'm pretty sure Superman would want to find out the extent of Broly's powers before fighting for real. Mostly every hero or villain in every fictional universe does this to find out how strong their enemy or opponent is.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Stupidest. Theory. Ever. If you become damaged in the world of Dragonball Z, you lose energy regardless of whether or not you've actually used Ki in the battle in which Vegeta did use Ki while fighting Broly. No matter if you haven't used a lot of energy during the battle, you can still lose it if you're getting the crap knocked out of you. It's just like when Goku went Super Saiyan 3 against Kid Buu. Even though he was conserving energy, he was still losing energy because of the damage he was taking. So no, that theory is flawed & Vegeta shouldn't have been the only one with power left to give. No one should have had any power left to give. If it were written in a logical way, everyone would've given their power to Goku from the start & he would've battled Broly until the end. Even if this was done, Broly was already too strong so no matter how you slice it, there is really no logical way to make Goku win without it involving plot holes.I never said Superman would sit back & let Broly destroy the world. Since Broly's powers would be new to Superman, I'm pretty sure Superman would want to find out the extent of Broly's powers before fighting for real. Mostly every hero or villain in every fictional universe does this to find out how strong their enemy or opponent is.
Vegeta fired a total of like 4 small energy beams maybe a bit more. Once when Broli first went crazy and didn't notice and then a few more times when he finally got the courage to fight. He was KOed instantly after. He wasn't smacked around like the rest, didn't get back up and fight like the rest. He shoots a few ki balls and then gets koed by having his head rammed into a large rock. There is no way he ran out of much energy. Gokou in SSJ3 couldn't hold energy because of the strain on his body. That's why when he went to power up he lost all his energy. Also Gokou was shooting Kamehameha's so that's going to take up energy also. Vegeta should have been the only one with ki left but even if all were fully powered that shouldn't have been enough to give Gokou his power he somehow got to beat Broli at least we agree on that. Nor should Gokou of had the ability to get up from what he had just endured because Vegeta wouldn't give him any energy.
Why would Superman want to find out the extent of Broli's powers? Broli isn't dumb and he'd probably be as arrogant as he was in the first movie. He'd pretty much tell Superman he is going to destroy everything if he's not crazy and spouting off Kakarot every three seconds because of Goten's crying. I do believe Superman would go easy but I don't think he's going to care for the extent of Broli's powers if Broli is going to destroy anything. Give Broli's LSSJ ability to somebody like Gohan or Gokou so they just get stronger then maybe Superman would but not to somebody with a personality like Broli.
Originally posted by Kento
Vegeta fired a total of like 4 small energy beams maybe a bit more. Once when Broli first went crazy and didn't notice and then a few more times when he finally got the courage to fight. He was KOed instantly after. He wasn't smacked around like the rest, didn't get back up and fight like the rest. He shoots a few ki balls and then gets koed by having his head rammed into a large rock. There is no way he ran out of much energy. Gokou in SSJ3 couldn't hold energy because of the strain on his body. That's why when he went to power up he lost all his energy. Also Gokou was shooting Kamehameha's so that's going to take up energy also. Vegeta should have been the only one with ki left but even if all were fully powered that shouldn't have been enough to give Gokou his power he somehow got to beat Broli at least we agree on that. Nor should Gokou of had the ability to get up from what he had just endured because Vegeta wouldn't give him any energy.Why would Superman want to find out the extent of Broli's powers? Broli isn't dumb and he'd probably be as arrogant as he was in the first movie. He'd pretty much tell Superman he is going to destroy everything if he's not crazy and spouting off Kakarot every three seconds because of Goten's crying. I do believe Superman would go easy but I don't think he's going to care for the extent of Broli's powers if Broli is going to destroy anything. Give Broli's LSSJ ability to somebody like Gohan or Gokou so they just get stronger then maybe Superman would but not to somebody with a personality like Broli.
As I've already said, if you've been beaten physically, your energy begins to drain. Just like when Goku fought Freeza, he wasn't using a bunch of energy but his energy was fading until he became a Super Saiyan. As I've said it's all just one big plot hole in a plot hole because even if Vegeta had most of his energy, it still shouldn't have been enough to even make Goku equal to Broly, let alone stronger than him. If it were written the right way, Goku & the other Z Fighters would've just been doomed.
I'm pretty sure Superman would want to know what powers he has & if he's stronger than him or not. Hell, I doubt Broly would become a Legendary Super Saiyan as soon as the battle begins. He'd probably be a regular Super Saiyan for most of the battle. I know Superman is probably stronger than Broly physically but a lot of people have stated that the advantage DBZ characters have is that they can transform into different forms that make themselves stronger. I'm pretty sure Broly would be able to hang with SSJ3 Goku in a fight & if I'm right, I'm sure he'd be able to somewhat hang with Superman in a fight.
What the hell are you talking about? Do you read & comprehend English? When in the blue hell did I ever say I haven't read the comics? Huh, idiot, when, because I'd like to know? Never, so shut the hell up. You can't even debate without contradicting yourself so you're the one who doesn't need to be in this thread.