Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Kami only increased his power, that's it. He didn't change his personality in any way at all because he was the same as always. Also, if you read the manga, they were trying to figure out the order in which everyone would enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber & I believe Piccolo was at least shown going in. Lastly, everybody didn't just "hang out". Only Goku & Gohan "hung out" because Goku wanted to master the Super Saiyan form. Everyone else was busy training. Also, it's pretty obvious that Piccolo is leagues ahead of Goten & Trunks as far as power goes.
Piccolo started staying at the Lookout and became less of the loner he was before him and Kami fused. Also Piccolo doesn't seem as focused on training and fighting after.
Piccolo may be leagues above Goten and Trunks but it never says or shows as Piccolo doesn't fight and neither do Goten and Trunks except against each other. He'd easily beat them because he's got the experience so it doesn't really matter how much powerful he is. Well unless they fuse but barring that.
Piccolo had become less of a longer WAY before he fused with Kami. He started hanging out witht he other Z Fighters & it was basically all thanks to Gohan.
It doesn't have to show that he's ahead of Goten & Trunks as it's pretty obvious. Goten & Trunks would need major training to be as strong as Piccolo. I'd say Piccolo was at least as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 by the Buu saga even though Toriyama didn't give him a chance to fight. I'm sure he continued training as I'm sure as wise as Piccolo is he'd want to be ready for any threat that might come along.
He still stayed by himself. And he didn't live on Lookout either. He became nicer thanks to Gohan yes but I still think Kami is the reason he lives at the Lookou.
I don't think Piccolo would be as strong as SSJ2 as Dabura would be weaker than that and I think Piccolo wasn't stronger than Dabura. Piccolo would be near there. I think maybe higher than 16 but not yet to Perfect Cell/Dabura while Trunks and Goten would between 17 and 18 at SSJ. But that's just where I would put them.
Piccolo didn't live on the Lookout, he just hung out there for a while to watch the fight between Vegeta/Trunks & Cell.
Dabura was stronger than a weak Super Saiyan 2 or basically, a Super Saiyan 2 that hasn't reached his full potential yet & hasn't become as strong as he can in that particular form. Remember, Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura & Dabura still gave him a hell of a fight, matching him blow for blow. In a sense Dabura might have even been toying with Gohan. As far as Piccolo goes, I'm sure that he's somewhat as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 but in the Buu saga the Saiyans completely took over & great characters like Piccolo were completely forgotten about but that doesn't mean he was a weakling, either. I'm sure Piccolo continued training & became even stronger.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Piccolo didn't live on the Lookout, he just hung out there for a while to watch the fight between Vegeta/Trunks & Cell.Dabura was stronger than a weak Super Saiyan 2 or basically, a Super Saiyan 2 that hasn't reached his full potential yet & hasn't become as strong as he can in that particular form. Remember, Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura & Dabura still gave him a hell of a fight, matching him blow for blow. In a sense Dabura might have even been toying with Gohan. As far as Piccolo goes, I'm sure that he's somewhat as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 but in the Buu saga the Saiyans completely took over & great characters like Piccolo were completely forgotten about but that doesn't mean he was a weakling, either. I'm sure Piccolo continued training & became even stronger.
Gohan went to the Lookout to tell Piccolo about Gokou coming back. I doubt Piccolo just happened to be visiting Dende that day.
Gohan was weaker also than when he fought Cell though. So his SSJ2 power wes also weaker though he was still able to win against Dabura. I highly doubt Dabura was holding back seeing as how Babidi wanted energy from them. He never even boasts that he's holding back anything. I think Piccolo is stronger than Vegeta and Trunks were at USSJ and stronger than 2nd form Cell but I don't think he'd be quite at Cell or Dabura's level but not far from it. He may have forgot about the others but just because Piccolo trained doesn't mean he'd get very strong in 7 years. Look at Vegeta who it shows training all the times. If training was all it took Vegeta would be the most powerful and Gohan would be weak, and Goten and Trunks wouldn't be SSJ.
Originally posted by Kento
Gohan went to the Lookout to tell Piccolo about Gokou coming back. I doubt Piccolo just happened to be visiting Dende that day.Gohan was weaker also than when he fought Cell though. So his SSJ2 power wes also weaker though he was still able to win against Dabura. I highly doubt Dabura was holding back seeing as how Babidi wanted energy from them. He never even boasts that he's holding back anything. I think Piccolo is stronger than Vegeta and Trunks were at USSJ and stronger than 2nd form Cell but I don't think he'd be quite at Cell or Dabura's level but not far from it. He may have forgot about the others but just because Piccolo trained doesn't mean he'd get very strong in 7 years. Look at Vegeta who it shows training all the times. If training was all it took Vegeta would be the most powerful and Gohan would be weak, and Goten and Trunks wouldn't be SSJ.
Piccolo hung out on the Lookout, yes, but he didn't live there. Piccolo doesn't live anywhere. He meditates in areas & trains & MAY go to see the Z Fighters at times which is usually when danger occurs. He doesn't specifically live anywhere.
I know Gohan was weaker than at the Cell Games but still, I'd say that Dabura is at least a little stronger than Perfect Cell since he was able to fight Super Saiyan 2 Gohan whereas Perfect Cell got completely owned. Also, Piccolo is probably a little stronger than Perfect Cell because he trains so damn much. Vegeta trains a lot too & did become the strongest (on Earth) during those seven years so why can't Piccolo become stronger either from training? Think logically, anyone who trains seven years straight (not literally) will become stronger than they previously were. That's like saying my friend will become stronger from training with weights while I won't & I'm training with the same amount of weights.
yes CLEARLY. having seen every episode over and over again. read every manga. and seen the non cannon episodes too.
on the other hand being a superman fan, until recently, a comic book nut, and being a bigger fan of superman than any of the dragon ball characters definately doesnt count right.
im not done in by anything, i just look at evidence. the ONLY thing superman has going for him is Vtorquism{amazing how every1 keeps forgetting that}. potentially, with it, he can squeeza a win against characters like super sayin 2 goku/vegeta. but other than that, NO, post crisis normal superman is dead as can be.
unless you create an unrealistic charcater looking at only high end feats/and or plot devices{beyond lightspeed travel, absorbing the megido warhead, destroying the entire green lantern core etc. its PIS}
i doubt you've truly read the comics because if you had you'd see that Superman has done things that Goku can only dream about doing & would never truly be able to do, no matter how much he trains. Superman heard something about 10,000 miles or something like that into space while he was SLEEP & got dressed & was there in ONE SECOND FLAT. Goku & the other Z Fighters are always taking two & three or more episodes to get to one place that may not even be that far away. Also, Superman has lifted land that weights millions of tons while even in filler Goku struggled with a little mountain & he was in his Super Saiyan 4 form which is his most powerful form. Need I remind you that Goku also struggled with 40 ton weights in his base form & began plunging down to the Earth & HAD to turn Super Saiyan to be able to lift the 40 ton weights. Now, going by that logic Goku would need much more power than he has in a Super Saiyan 3 or Super Saiyan 4 form to even be able to scratch Superman. I LOVE Dragonball Z, I can't get enough of it but the DBZ characters are clearly outmatched in strength, durablity, & speed against Superman. Sure, they can create energy beams but that still doesn't mean they are strong enough to defeat top tier comic book characters like Superman, Silver Surfer, & Galactus. Hell, Superman never truly fights at full power while DBZ/GT characters almost always fight at full power & it still isn't enough against some of the enemies they fight. Seriously, if you think LOGICALLY, NO DBZ character stands a chance against someone as physically strong & as durable as Superman. And thou shalt not forget that Goku & the other Z Fighters can't even breathe in space, another major advantage for Superman. Oh & I forgot to mention that Superman never loses energy & is always becoming stronger by the minute while every DBZ/GT character besides Broly lose power the longer they fight instead of becoming stronger. But silly me, this all means nothing when compared to the idiocy of DBZ fanboys.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43Gohan specifically went to the Lookout to see Piccolo though. It could be that he was just visiting Dende but it could also be he was living there.
Piccolo hung out on the Lookout, yes, but he didn't live there. Piccolo doesn't live anywhere. He meditates in areas & trains & MAY go to see the Z Fighters at times which is usually when danger occurs. He doesn't specifically live anywhere.I know Gohan was weaker than at the Cell Games but still, I'd say that Dabura is at least a little stronger than Perfect Cell since he was able to fight Super Saiyan 2 Gohan whereas Perfect Cell got completely owned. Also, Piccolo is probably a little stronger than Perfect Cell because he trains so damn much. Vegeta trains a lot too & did become the strongest (on Earth) during those seven years so why can't Piccolo become stronger either from training? Think logically, anyone who trains seven years straight (not literally) will become stronger than they previously were. That's like saying my friend will become stronger from training with weights while I won't & I'm training with the same amount of weights.
Except Vegeta trained harder than anybody for years even before the Buu saga yet Gohan, Future Trunks, Piccolo and Gokou were all stronger than him. Well Piccolo was until he became USSJ. Gokou trains sure but for Vegeta it's basically his way of life. Training a lot doesn't mean he's going to get a whole lot stronger. I don't think Piccolo would be far from Cell at the most maybe USSJ Trunks power which would make him a little bit stronger than Perfect Cell.
Superman has been doing crazy power feats recently. He survived 50 supernovas and destroyed a sun eater who was firing his red sun radiation at him constantly. He flew 25 light years in seconds. He can hold a dwarf star in his hands. He can escape the pull of a black hole. He can survive galaxy destroying blasts. Move planets. Destroy moons. Defeat cosmic level opponents and yea he has T-VO but he doesnt really need it here. Superman has shown to be on panel greater than him in almost all aspects, Goku has no real power feats like the ones mentioned yet some how he magicaly wins because he makes big beams of energy?
Honestly, the way a real Superman vs. Goku fight would go is something like this:
0 seconds: Fight starts
0.0000000001 seconds: Superman, utilizing his massively superior speed, flies behind Goku before he can even form a thought.
0.0000000002 seconds: Superman, utilizing his massively superior strength, taps Goku on the back with a blow designed to cut off his circulation and KOs him.
Superman wins.
the feats mentioned are PIS!!!!!!!!!! for heaven's sake. superman consistantly has trouble even keeping up with below lightspeed flash. and he can HEAR through trillions of miles of space SPONTANEOUSLY?? am i the only one who gets how idiotic and PIS that is??? surviving multiple supernovae is crap. he can barely survive large planet shattering punches. JUST like the megido warhead. every1 here is picking high end PIS feats and trying to attribute it to his normal power. if you go by that you come up with a super character which is very unlike the normal one.
going by your logic. can i then say that wolverine beat hulk hand to hand ONCE. when hulk was enraged. since enraged hulk can easily destroy planet, hence wolverine is ALSO a planet buster?! ridiculous. superman PRIME had only the power of s single STAR. and here post crisis supes is taking galaxy destroying and supernovae level blasts. PIS.{and i REALLY find ti wierd that you all can easily accept those feats and extrapolations when ur unwilling to even consider that cell could easily destroy a solar system when that isnt pis and is supported by evidence}
Wait, wait, Superman having super hearing is idiotic whereas DBZ characters can create energy beams that can supposedly destroy the entire universe. Also, it's completely impossible to destroy the entire universe seeing as the universe is never ending & there will always be life in the universe so that my friend, is PIS.