Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Wait, wait, Superman having super hearing is idiotic whereas DBZ characters can create energy beams that can supposedly destroy the entire universe. Also, it's completely impossible to destroy the entire universe seeing as the universe is never ending & there will always be life in the universe so that my friend, is PIS.

super HEARING?! is that what you call it?! hearing sumthing on another galaxy trillions upon trillions of miles away, without the time delay {even light would take many many years to reach thir to earth}. not to mention that sound doesnt travel through space and due to the inverse square law, it would be impossibly weak. on top of the fact that if superman can hear THAT specific sound then he shud be able to hear the entire universe simultaneously and make sense of it.

im sorry, thats not sound, that is the cosmic awareness of a watcher.

furthermore, what use is debating with a person who considers obvious telepathy/cosmic awareness as SOUND? it is a PIS feat. and it wud be idiotic to judge supes on it.

furthermore, WHO says DBZ characters can destroy the universe????? i think i was referring to cell and the solar system, sumthing QUITE finite in size. furthermore, many dc characters can destroy universes. INIFINITE and physics have very little to do with it. superman will die against a good super sayin 1.

Except there have been more than one occasion where Superman has heard things far away as they happen be it halfway around the world, the moon, or even a different solar system and it's always been heard so it would be part of his Super Hearing.

And yes Superman would have a hard time if anybody in Z was actually as good as they boasted they were. To bad they're not.

Is that guy an idiot or what? It's been called super-hearing in the comics for years. If he had truly read the comics, he'd know that. It's an obvious name for an obvious power of Superman.

I agree with Kento, all of the power that the DBZ characters have is nothing compared to what Superman can do or has done throughout his 65+ year comic book history. He's learned martial arts & has had training which he doesn't even need. Seriously, no matter how much any DBZ character trains they will still not be able to hold a candle up to Superman.

The problem is that from the 40es to nowaday Superman has done pretty much everything. Writers have to keep readers from getting bored.

But chi-powers to harm Supes? I highly doubt. That's not exactly "magic" (which is the only things exept cryptonite and red sun radiation that even stands a chance to harm him).

You won't believe how many people I have had seen argue that Ki = magic.

They are a bit crazy in that case. Superman can also learn ki techniques if he decides to spend his leisure time training in martial arts from, let's say, Batman, who practices those techinques also but on level much more modest that huge ass blasts.

Under some curcumstances "chi" powers are really mystical in nature (Iron Fist (Marvel), "Sacred Treasures" and Orochi powers in KOF). But not the DBZ characters powers.

Though some people tend to equate it even more, saying that magic attacks are shit to Superman, since he's, well, Superman...and some writers tend to forget this weakness since they think it would be stupid to see the all-mighty DC flagship to fall to some spell or mystical energy blast (PR purposes🙁)

As for super hearing being PIS...in 40ies writers didn't think about powers being "realistic"- just extrapolate all human sences ets with "super" prefix (we got stuff like "super weaving" at the time). Present day writers won't change the tradition and still call sort-of-a-cosmic-awareness-powers "super hearing"- fancy name due to tradition.
By the way, Superman's powerset gives him the opportunity to become perfect body-language reader...but he hardly ever uses it since he's mostly not about skills but about powers.

I'm sure that if the Z characters could accomplish the feats the villains claim then they'd hurt Superman even though it isn't magic though. Though I haven't seen anybody say Ki = magic in a long time. Actually I don't think I've seen it in three years since Gokou vs Superman was basically banned on Gaia.

They are not exactly villains. People who say post-crisis Supes can resist magical based time stop like nothing and be unharmed by magical attacks are. Though if Superman really has FTL combat speed, not only travelling speed, it would be slowdown to him and not completely stop since he already warps timestream around him by default by travelling FTL (timestream and gravity are related). He's not Flash who's protected by Speedforce, GL ring energy etc. That means he gains infinite mass or infinite gravity field round himself when travelling FTL and bends timestream round himself.

And I have never understood that DBZ obsession. In my opinion planet destruction powers via fighting skills are rather dull (that's why I don't like DBZ and Darkstalkers). A character who's mostly known for his skills but can destroy planet with a fart is rather stupid or comic, isn't it?

FTL travelling helps Supes resist timestop etc. What makes it unrealistic is that it also turns unprotected Supes into black hole and he'll destroy everything in his vicinity. Unless for PIS purposes effect is strangely limited.

I meant when the DBZ villains say they are unbeatable or when Cell said he has enough power to destroy the solar system. Superman should be hurt by magic but it would also depend on how strong it is. I mean Supes has went through magic attacks before. Not without getting hurt though but it would take a strong magic attack to stop him or kill him.

I don't care about the power of stuff I just like Superman for how he is. DBZ I just got tired of after a while when I started watching new anime and reading new manga course my manga taste went from action to comedy, sports and romance mostly.

DBZ is stupid and I hate it.

As for Superman...I just don't care about him since I was 15 years old (that means for more than 5 years since I'm almost 21 years old now) (as a kid I was quite a Supes fan).

As for magical blasts, ones that are able to destroy comets and small asteroids will definetely harm Supes, I think. Same goes to magical weapons (he has great "fun" with some of Wonder Woman weaponry- providing it's sharp enough it cuts through Supes bioaura).

I think any magic would harm Supes just not enough to stop him. And I didn't like Superman much back in the day when I did like DBZ but that was like 10 years ago and it's reversed as I can't stand watching DBZ and I like Superman's character now. Course most of the reason I didn't like Superman was because of the cartoon. I liked watching the cartoon sure but I didn't like Superman. It wasn't until I read the comic that I began to like him.

Magic doesn't really do much to Superman now adays from what I'm told. Also, how the hell can Ki be magic when they can train it & make bigger blasts? If it were magic spells would be said before they release the blasts or something to that extent but all they did were name their techniques. I just don't see why people consider Ki magic when it's clearly not. In the manga even Gohan tells Videl that Ki isn't magic when she asks him or references it to being magic. I love Dragonball Z but Goku, Gohan & the others do have enough physical strength & aren't fast or durable enough to defeat Superman. Dragonball Z characters have limits, Superman doesn't. Saying Goku>Superman is like saying in a regular fist fight Broly can defeat the Hulk.

Ki is not magic nor it's even mystical energy (magic is not all about spellcasting). And DBZ is overrated big time.

Yeah, DBZ is overrated & I know magic isn't all about spellcasting but usually when magic is truly being used there are spells to be said in a different language.

Spellcasting shouldn't nesessary be verbal and using verbal spellcasting in combat is a bit retarded. Also there's mystical energy using powers\magical based weaponry which don't require any spellcasting.

Oh so anything you don't like is PIS? Despite the fact that he does these kinds of things all the time, consistently? How would you feel if I started arbitrarily declaring DBZ feats to be PIS? Not that they have all that many feats in the first place. 99% of DBZ arguments rely on the stupid "This guy did such - and - such, therefore some other guy who is apparently so much stronger (yet they never attempt to quantify exactly how much stronger) can do blah blah blah" with no proof. Or, even stupider, "This guy claimed he could do such - and - such, and therefore this other guy, who is supposedly so much stronger, can do blah blah blah".

Whereas Superman has actually done things to back up his power.

Exactly, the DBZ characters always say how much power they have but you can tell when they're bluffing because usually they'll get their asses kicked afterwards. Superman rarely, if ever, bluffs. He always fights & usually wins & it doesn't take hours on end for him to do so.

not choosing PIS at random. but are you willing to bet that the megido warhead which sould destroy GALAXIES would not have killed superman?????????{just yes or no to gte rid of all the fanboyism around. simple question}

are you also willing to bet that DESPITE being explicitly stated by the writers/creaters/official dc, that superman can infact travel faster than light{faster also than real world flash}, so much so that he can cover distances ranging from multiple galaxies in minutes?

furthermore, no1 tried to counter the points about it not being HEARING but some other form of perception which only presents itself as hearing. i explicitly stated how no comic book writer could be stupid enough to simply mean SOUND here, or is fanboyism taking over your brain and making you delusional? ive read tons of supes comics and NEVER have i interpreted as hearings. its not my fault that your an idiot, ive always thought of it as some form of perception linked to his v-to powers which actually makes SENSE.

also, you put supe's strngth over the roof when his power is not greater than a planetary destruction scale at MAX{unless you wanna bring in pre crisis or PIS feats}. sunbathed superman is a lot stronger but still nowhere near the scale of destruction of stars/etc. energy superman was almost at a solar system destroying scale. superman prime was inconsistant, being a star/or planetary destroyer. superman one million was almost on the level of galaxy destroying/above. pre crisis superman was plot device/potentially multiverse shattererr.

so please make up your mind WHICH superman your talking about. as far as im concerned its NORMAL post crisis superman. and there are things he can do and hings he CANT{hence pis}. he will always be lower than the best GL, hell always be slower than flash. he will always have less strength than darksied or non fealing doomsday. he will always be below lightspeed. he will ALWAYS be weak to magical attacks. his heat vision will always be weaker than the omega affect. he will always have at max strength, the power to destroy/atomize a normal sized planet.

if you have issues with these power stats, take them up with DC, just dont bring in PIS feats to support outrageous claims. consistancy matters. unless you wanna end up like the surfer fanboys who think he can take on jesus 10/10.

as far as dragon ball is concerned. the feats are already present in Z{let alone gt}, which can verify pre super sayin vegeta as a planet destroyer. the blast he sent towards namek was deflected by ONE kick from 10% power frieza and it exploded in space to produce a blast which was visibly MUCH greater than namek. and almost all overt structures on namek were destroyed because of it. 30% power frieza created a mini blast casually which destroyed the core of namek and destroyed the entire planet later. friza created a blast 20 times stronger on earth than his namek destroying one. and trunks in his inexpireces usper sayin 1 form neutralised it casually with one hand. frieza when he attacked the sayin home planet, destroyed goku's father and the entire planet instantly with a blast casually circling his finger tip.

the androids were far more OBSERVABLY powerful than any super sayin one. or all combined at the time. also including kami/piccalo. do remeber that in the frieza time, + android fight, multiple blasts{thousands in an attacks} were deflected with non super saying goku's HAND and each went on to explode to produce a blast far bigger than any large nuke.

now imagine a being who has all the powers of goku/gohan/vegeta/frieza/the three androids/some other super villians. is it ILLOGICAL to even consider that he cant destroy a solar system?????? simply pput, your being silly to say he could not. all logic is against you.

and goku has the teleportaion technique to counter speed blitz +awareness maytters too since he fight battles at galactic speed. and yes KI is magic/mystical. since it is a mystical universe{dragons, wishes, hevane, hell, gods DUH} and ki has never been scientifically explained. spells are not all there is to magic, or else captain marvel{dc} wudnt be magical would he.

stop trying to downgrade obvious dragon ball feats and power levels and hype PIS feats of superman to try and give him a win.

Seriously, most of the feats you posted weren't even in the manga & for you to even mention GT shows that you are nothing but a joke. 😂

And as far as fanboyism goes, I like Goku & Dragonball Z as a whole more than Superman but facts are facts, which you keep ignoring.