Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Seriously, most of the feats you posted weren't even in the manga & for you to even mention GT shows that you are nothing but a joke. 😂

And as far as fanboyism goes, I like Goku & Dragonball Z as a whole more than Superman but facts are facts, which you keep ignoring.

LMAO! 😆 . you not replieng to posts and being unable to counter points isnt really helping your status as a joke my friend. furthermore, the fact that you cant READ well enough to see that im not referring ANYTHING from GT, makes me realise that your either dyslexic and/or autistic.

either way, i dont think sum1 who like dragon ball would talk so spitefully of the characters. even so, it does not matter, you have probably never read any more than a single series of superman. going by the type of things you are suggesting here. your learning disability is only complemented by you unleashed mouth.

do not expect others to simply admit defeat based on illogical stringing of unbased and vile words into a small paragraph or 2.{which i TOTALLY understand is an acheivement for you}. try and counter this or ur best off not further ruining your reputation by opening your mouth. 🙂

not choosing PIS at random. but are you willing to bet that the megido warhead which sould destroy GALAXIES would not have killed superman?????????{just yes or no to gte rid of all the fanboyism around. simple question}

I'm dyslexic or autistic yet you can't put together a good sentence or paragraph. Good comeback. HAHA! You are so stupid. 😂

or rather, try actually READING. and countering all THESE.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not choosing PIS at random. but are you willing to bet that the megido warhead which sould destroy GALAXIES would not have killed superman?????????{just yes or no to gte rid of all the fanboyism around. simple question}

are you also willing to bet that DESPITE being explicitly stated by the writers/creaters/official dc, that superman can infact travel faster than light{faster also than real world flash}, so much so that he can cover distances ranging from multiple galaxies in minutes?

furthermore, no1 tried to counter the points about it not being HEARING but some other form of perception which only presents itself as hearing. i explicitly stated how no comic book writer could be stupid enough to simply mean SOUND here, or is fanboyism taking over your brain and making you delusional? ive read tons of supes comics and NEVER have i interpreted as hearings. its not my fault that your an idiot, ive always thought of it as some form of perception linked to his v-to powers which actually makes SENSE.

also, you put supe's strngth over the roof when his power is not greater than a planetary destruction scale at MAX{unless you wanna bring in pre crisis or PIS feats}. sunbathed superman is a lot stronger but still nowhere near the scale of destruction of stars/etc. energy superman was almost at a solar system destroying scale. superman prime was inconsistant, being a star/or planetary destroyer. superman one million was almost on the level of galaxy destroying/above. pre crisis superman was plot device/potentially multiverse shattererr.

so please make up your mind WHICH superman your talking about. as far as im concerned its NORMAL post crisis superman. and there are things he can do and hings he CANT{hence pis}. he will always be lower than the best GL, hell always be slower than flash. he will always have less strength than darksied or non fealing doomsday. he will always be below lightspeed. he will ALWAYS be weak to magical attacks. his heat vision will always be weaker than the omega affect. he will always have at max strength, the power to destroy/atomize a normal sized planet.

if you have issues with these power stats, take them up with DC, just dont bring in PIS feats to support outrageous claims. consistancy matters. unless you wanna end up like the surfer fanboys who think he can take on jesus 10/10.

as far as dragon ball is concerned. the feats are already present in Z{let alone gt}, which can verify pre super sayin vegeta as a planet destroyer. the blast he sent towards namek was deflected by ONE kick from 10% power frieza and it exploded in space to produce a blast which was visibly MUCH greater than namek. and almost all overt structures on namek were destroyed because of it. 30% power frieza created a mini blast casually which destroyed the core of namek and destroyed the entire planet later. friza created a blast 20 times stronger on earth than his namek destroying one. and trunks in his inexpireces usper sayin 1 form neutralised it casually with one hand. frieza when he attacked the sayin home planet, destroyed goku's father and the entire planet instantly with a blast casually circling his finger tip.

the androids were far more OBSERVABLY powerful than any super sayin one. or all combined at the time. also including kami/piccalo. do remeber that in the frieza time, + android fight, multiple blasts{thousands in an attacks} were deflected with non super saying goku's HAND and each went on to explode to produce a blast far bigger than any large nuke.

now imagine a being who has all the powers of goku/gohan/vegeta/frieza/the three androids/some other super villians. is it ILLOGICAL to even consider that he cant destroy a solar system?????? simply pput, your being silly to say he could not. all logic is against you.

and goku has the teleportaion technique to counter speed blitz +awareness maytters too since he fight battles at galactic speed. and yes KI is magic/mystical. since it is a mystical universe{dragons, wishes, hevane, hell, gods DUH} and ki has never been scientifically explained. spells are not all there is to magic, or else captain marvel{dc} wudnt be magical would he.

stop trying to downgrade obvious dragon ball feats and power levels and hype PIS feats of superman to try and give him a win.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
I'm dyslexic or autistic yet you can't put together a good sentence or paragraph. Good comeback. HAHA! You are so stupid. 😂

says the idiot who cant read enough to see i never quoted a single thing from GT, or has the ability to write a sentence long enough to counter a single point expressed. dont make me laugh fanboy 😮‍💨

I never said you quoted GT, I said you MENTIONED it, which you did unless you've edited your post. Learn to read. Also, a fanboy is someone who doesn't state facts which I have plenty of times & I won't continue to do as this discussion has been held too many times for me to debate with a DBZ fanboy who can't see past his nose & doesn't know the true depths of real power. Goku is only stronger than Superman with energy beams, I admit that but physically, he's not stronger than Superman as he struggled to lift 40 ton weights & had to turn Super Saiyan to prevent himself from plunging down to the Earth while Superman has easily lifted 20 tons & over with one arm quite easily even in recent comics within the last few years. Also, learn the TRUE definition of fanboy before using a word you hardly understand. Ya dig?

And another thing, every damn feat isn't PIS, it's ridiculous how much you use that word. Was it PIS when Cell said he'd destroy the entire solar system with his Kamehameha blast? Yes, it was. Was it ridiulous when Kid Buu destroyed the Earth & crossed between dimensions to reach the Kaio planet? Yes. Was it ridiculous when Super Buu & SSJ3 Gotenks were able to escape out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, a dimension previously stated to be impossible to escape? Yes, it was.

There's nothing to counter because you can't debate worht a shit.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
And another thing, every damn feat isn't PIS, it's ridiculous how much you use that word. Was it PIS when Cell said he'd destroy the entire solar system with his Kamehameha blast? Yes, it was. Was it ridiulous when Kid Buu destroyed the Earth & crossed between dimensions to reach the Kaio planet? Yes. Was it ridiculous when Super Buu & SSJ3 Gotenks were able to escape out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, a dimension previously stated to be impossible to escape? Yes, it was.

There's nothing to counter because you can't debate worht a shit.

honestly, i understand your mother dropped you on your head{dont as me to speculate WHY} when you were little. but your physical and sexual retardation is no reason to unsuccesfully try and attack posters with valid points. nor is it an excuse for the lack of COUNTER{look it up in the dictionary, im sure your unaware of it seeing from recent expirience} evidence your producing. you still havent dealt with a SINGLE POINT i posted.

well even ATTEMPTED to deal with i must say. if your mental retardation limits you, HONESTLY let me know. ill MORE than understand 🙂 .

those superman feats are PIS because they are inconsistant with official dc stats and with his majority feats and SHORTCOMINGs. which wud not be present were those feats true. dont try to tire out the opposition simlpy because you cant read/reason. re read the explanation given.

as for the dragin ball feats, they are NOT pis. because they are CONSISTANT, furthermore, they are GRADUAL progression of power.which is NOT pis.

i can debate just fine, its your mental development which appears to be{and im simlpy quoting your vile mouth that doesnt know any better here} "worth a shit".

referrin to your older posts, your use oF MENTIONED means i referred to GT, for sumthing which wuld make it uncannon{and YOU seem to be having a ball dissing the same GT feats}. otherwise "mentioning" gt is nuthing negetive even to you. so try not to play these little word games for your own good.

furthermore, the way you talk about manga/comic characters and "THE DEPTHS OF REAL POWER" in the same sentence, its obvious that your one of those super kiddy fanboys who gets off on seeing/imagining their characters wins in hypothetical fight. its not a stretch to say your also a power ranger lover 😉 .

also, i believe the claim by you has been chnaged from 10 tons{which you lied about} to 40 tons{which i elaborated as his ; LOWEST pre super sayin feat} and you havent openly admitted you were wrong. youve also avoidede to comment on how vegeta was PHYSICALLY cleaving through mountains pre super sayin. that is certainly more than 40 tons. or how frieza PHYSICALLY resisted the enrgy attack with his strngth and not endurance or counter energy. i assume your not going to.

finally as to the TRUE definition of fanboy, i must admit, every post of yours is breaking new ground in the department. ill make sure to pay attention untill you can reveal to me what the NIRVANA of fanboyism is. 😄

not choosing PIS at random. but are you willing to bet that the megido warhead which sould destroy GALAXIES would not have killed superman?????????{just yes or no to gte rid of all the fanboyism around. simple question}

are you also willing to bet that DESPITE being explicitly stated by the writers/creaters/official dc, that superman can infact travel faster than light{faster also than real world flash}, so much so that he can cover distances ranging from multiple galaxies in minutes?

furthermore, no1 tried to counter the points about it not being HEARING but some other form of perception which only presents itself as hearing. i explicitly stated how no comic book writer could be stupid enough to simply mean SOUND here, or is fanboyism taking over your brain and making you delusional? ive read tons of supes comics and NEVER have i interpreted as hearings. its not my fault that your an idiot, ive always thought of it as some form of perception linked to his v-to powers which actually makes SENSE.

also, you put supe's strngth over the roof when his power is not greater than a planetary destruction scale at MAX{unless you wanna bring in pre crisis or PIS feats}. sunbathed superman is a lot stronger but still nowhere near the scale of destruction of stars/etc. energy superman was almost at a solar system destroying scale. superman prime was inconsistant, being a star/or planetary destroyer. superman one million was almost on the level of galaxy destroying/above. pre crisis superman was plot device/potentially multiverse shattererr.

so please make up your mind WHICH superman your talking about. as far as im concerned its NORMAL post crisis superman. and there are things he can do and hings he CANT{hence pis}. he will always be lower than the best GL, hell always be slower than flash. he will always have less strength than darksied or non fealing doomsday. he will always be below lightspeed. he will ALWAYS be weak to magical attacks. his heat vision will always be weaker than the omega affect. he will always have at max strength, the power to destroy/atomize a normal sized planet.

if you have issues with these power stats, take them up with DC, just dont bring in PIS feats to support outrageous claims. consistancy matters. unless you wanna end up like the surfer fanboys who think he can take on jesus 10/10.

as far as dragon ball is concerned. the feats are already present in Z{let alone gt}, which can verify pre super sayin vegeta as a planet destroyer. the blast he sent towards namek was deflected by ONE kick from 10% power frieza and it exploded in space to produce a blast which was visibly MUCH greater than namek. and almost all overt structures on namek were destroyed because of it. 30% power frieza created a mini blast casually which destroyed the core of namek and destroyed the entire planet later. friza created a blast 20 times stronger on earth than his namek destroying one. and trunks in his inexpireces usper sayin 1 form neutralised it casually with one hand. frieza when he attacked the sayin home planet, destroyed goku's father and the entire planet instantly with a blast casually circling his finger tip.

the androids were far more OBSERVABLY powerful than any super sayin one. or all combined at the time. also including kami/piccalo. do remeber that in the frieza time, + android fight, multiple blasts{thousands in an attacks} were deflected with non super saying goku's HAND and each went on to explode to produce a blast far bigger than any large nuke.

now imagine a being who has all the powers of goku/gohan/vegeta/frieza/the three androids/some other super villians. is it ILLOGICAL to even consider that he cant destroy a solar system?????? simply pput, your being silly to say he could not. all logic is against you.

and goku has the teleportaion technique to counter speed blitz +awareness maytters too since he fight battles at galactic speed. and yes KI is magic/mystical. since it is a mystical universe{dragons, wishes, hevane, hell, gods DUH} and ki has never been scientifically explained. spells are not all there is to magic, or else captain marvel{dc} wudnt be magical would he.

stop trying to downgrade obvious dragon ball feats and power levels and hype PIS feats of superman to try and give him a win.

REPOST. address these points.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
{faster also than real world flash}

Originally posted by h1a8
Guess what I've found everyone.
[B]Superman is not really weak to magic. His ability to resist is totally psionic as confirmed by Byrne and others. For instance, if he believes that a Vampire can manhandle him, it becomes fact. But if he believes he can stop a magical beam intended to destroy an entire island, he does. Superman even has defeated an all powerful demon in her own mystical netherworld.

Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman, being magic-based beings, "always" use the "magic vulnerability" when they hit Superman. The fact that they don't splatter him into chunky salsa tells us this "vulnerability" is more complex than it seems on the surface. If he were "truly vulnerable" to magic, not only would he be obliterated by magical fists, he'd be deep fried by the first bolt of magical lightning that hits him. He'd actually die from death spells instead of being sent into comas.

Superman's belief structure is based on two things. Firstly, he was raised with midwestern common sense. Secondly, his Kryptonian heritage was solidly technocratic and scientifically based. His belief structure doesn't include the possibility of magic. This explains why he can be hurt by a Vampire, but he resists outright destruction by vastly superior magical forces. His subconscious kicks in his self-preservation instinct in life-threatening situations. It would make an interesting Elseworlds story if Superman had been raised in a magical culture. That way, his belief based vulnerability would be to scientific weaponry instead of magical forces. So Superman "can" resist magic and is a thoroughly selfless character. For he has been shown to resist magic when there is a grave need for it.

Some examples :

1. Early 90's Superman vs. Blaze; Superman defeats Blaze in her own hell dimension.
Stake : Jimmy's soul is about to be taken by Blaze .
This is no ordinary feat as Blaze has NEVER been beaten in her own realm. Blaze is a mystical demonic ruler who has total control over a mystical Hell. She's on a par with Neron and Satannus.

2. JLA Primeval: Superman resisted the magical and mystic energies of a Primeval God.
Stake : the JLA's evolved existence .
God power versus Superman Invulnerability.

3. Crossover, War of the Gods: Superman DEFLECTS and WEAKENS a mystical Bolt so powerful, it was designated to destroy the Greek Islands.
Stake : Millions of lives in Greece .
Although Superman was unable to completely stop it, he deflected (and resisted its destructive mystic energies) enough to save the Isles.

Some minor incidences:

4. Superman versus the Demon, Byrne era: The Demon blasts the Superman with Hellfire but causes no physical harm. Superman feels though as if it was burning in his mind and soul. He resists it enough to fling the Demon through several towers.

5. Superman as Gangbuster: Without his normal psyche intact, Superman breaks mystical bands that was restraining him.

6. Superman in Valhalla: Although he is fighting against demons in a mystical realm, he ultimately out survives the DC version of Thor, and becomes the War's number one warrior. As noted, Thor deems Superman the worthy lifter of Mjolnir, not Diana or anybody else.

The point of these examples is that at times, Superman resists magic due to some instance when he is no longer thinking about the effects on his body. He has been shown to resist even massive amounts of mystic energies because he believes that he can endure it, "and does"! Magic, and Mystical forces require faith to sustain it. The funny thing about bringing up Superman's vulnerability to magic is that everyone who says it will hurt him just says that it will, no questions asked . That's faith. But equally true is the belief that if you believe that it cannot
hurt you, it will not. That too, is faith.

Superman's mind is that of a mortal. There are many things, like a mortal, he does not understand. And magic is among them. He has been indoctrianted to believe that he has a weakness to magic, and thus when confronted by it, he automatically believes that he can be hurt by it. It is when he removes this belief (for the stakes at hand) that he overcomes magic.

The first 3 examples show this theory. The following 3 are a bit more diverse. Magic does not physically hurt Superman, but rather he says it is hurting his soul. This is indicative of the nature of one type of magic.
The second example is when Superman no longer maintains his own psyche. He no longer has this "fear" of magic and thus breaks through mystic restraining bands. The last is when he fights so long in Valhalla that he is not affected by its magical nature (or that of its creatures) any
more than WW or asgardian fighters, or even Thor. Magic is a tricky thing. It requires someone to believe in it to be effective. Belief systems have everything to do with it. And not everybody believes the same way. Superman "can" resist magic, only if he believes he can. Thus proving it is a psionic ability as with his other powers. [/B]

So, the weakness to magic is more psychology-based that physiology based. And it's safe to believe that Superman can handle even powerful magical attacks when motvated enough etc etc.

That's plausible but overcoming something to shine again and to save a day in a big way is road to PIS. Resistance to magic in extreme curcumstances is believelble. But "making a habit" of it is not. Superman, while fighting in character, would always be hurt by magic. Bloodlusted\ultramotivated Superman is entirely different thing.

Leonheartm you are quite dense. First of all stop dismising feats because they dont make sense using real world physics, comic books are not real ok. Secondly have you read any Superman comics after 1999? You should realise Supermans feats are not pis but just the out come of making the character gradualy more powerful over the years. Superman of today is a hell of a lot more powerful than he was 10 years ago, you also dont seem to understand what pis is either. So stop claiming all his high end feats are pis and for gods sake stop using that retarded dbz fanboy logic and try to realise Superman is superior to most dbz characters based from on panel feats and not some stupid dbz logic.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
So, the weakness to magic is more psychology-based that physiology based. And it's safe to believe that Superman can handle even powerful magical attacks when motvated enough etc etc.

That's plausible but overcoming something to shine again and to save a day in a big way is road to PIS. Resistance to magic in extreme curcumstances is believelble. But "making a habit" of it is not. Superman, while fighting in character, would always be hurt by magic. Bloodlusted\ultramotivated Superman is entirely different thing.

Actually, in recent arcs he's actively been studying magic with Zatanna to decrease any vulnerability that he has to it.

I want to see scans of that. Just curious🙂

Oh & leonheartmm, next time you want to flame someone, at least do it in an articulate way to not show you're a total ass.

Originally posted by Magee
Leonheartm you are quite dense. First of all stop dismising feats because they dont make sense using real world physics, comic books are not real ok. Secondly have you read any Superman comics after 1999? You should realise Supermans feats are not pis but just the out come of making the character gradualy more powerful over the years. Superman of today is a hell of a lot more powerful than he was 10 years ago, you also dont seem to understand what pis is either. So stop claiming all his high end feats are pis and for gods sake stop using that retarded dbz fanboy logic and try to realise Superman is superior to most dbz characters based from on panel feats and not some stupid dbz logic.

Best post in this thread since that ass leonheartmm started trying to "debate".

Originally posted by Creshosk
The more I read your posts the more I want you to learn the language better. That way you could be more articulate and get your points across clearer. That way I can determine if you really are as big of a moron as this sentence would have us believe.

again. no counter, no reply, just lil crybabies trying desperately to watch each other's backs. sorry if i dont take this specific post of yours seriously.

DO enlighten me one WHAT, it is, you find hard to understand about "faster even than real world flash". fasters means fasters, even, is for comparison, real world flash, stands for flash while he still exists in the physical world, and has not gone beyond light speed in which case he would be in the speed force realm.

UNDERSTAND now. 🙂

Originally posted by Magee
Leonheartm you are quite dense. First of all stop dismising feats because they dont make sense using real world physics, comic books are not real ok. Secondly have you read any Superman comics after 1999? You should realise Supermans feats are not pis but just the out come of making the character gradualy more powerful over the years. Superman of today is a hell of a lot more powerful than he was 10 years ago, you also dont seem to understand what pis is either. So stop claiming all his high end feats are pis and for gods sake stop using that retarded dbz fanboy logic and try to realise Superman is superior to most dbz characters based from on panel feats and not some stupid dbz logic.

AGAIN, i ask, are you willing to consider resisting multiple galaxy shattering blasts, beyond lightspeed travel{on the level of crossing multiple astronomical units in minutes}, HEARING{which i firmly believe is a golden age name for psionic related perception} which can spontaneously har things beyond lightspeed and happening galaxies away?

SPECIALLY, when official dc has made it clear that superman can not go beyond lightspeed, can not survive galactic blasts{planet shattering types have manages to hurt and, KILL him in the past, even in their rematch doomsday at best destroyed a planet and ANGRY/BLOODLUST superma was visibly harmed}, and does not have super HEARING{it is infact telepathic perception}.

if you start considering such feats cannon than why oh WHY does superman get knowcked around by darksied/green lantersn/shazam/doomsday/etc etc. those feats are beyond the scope even of galactus as of yet{it took him and tyrant YEARS if not millinea to destroy a galacy and he was AMAZED to see pre retconned beyonder destroying one}. superman is around current surfer level{slightly lower}. he does not have the capability to perform such feats which is why it is PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY. im not calling every feat PIS. its just that im not considering superman can go beyond lightspeed unless it is officially stated{and if you look at it its ALWAYS been this much distance in so n so time on panel. perhaps some writers dont remeber the speed of light. unlike flash etc, it is NEVER stated on panel that he can go beyond lightspeed or his speed is compared with that of light and its affects} or dc EXPLAINS it.

im not looking at real world physics at all, tell me where i referred to extrapolations/consequences from the real world. your just a little caught up in THIS

stop claiming all his high end feats are pis and for gods sake stop using that retarded dbz fanboy logic and try to realise Superman is superior to most dbz characters based from on panel feats and not some stupid dbz logic.

i shall not rephrase the old points simply because you think they are fanboyish without giving a reason, other than they end up making dragon ball z characters the winner.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
again. no counter, no reply, just lil crybabies trying desperately to watch each other's backs. sorry if i dont take this specific post of yours seriously.

DO enlighten me one WHAT, it is, you find hard to understand about "faster even than real world flash". fasters means fasters, even, is for comparison, real world flash, stands for flash while he still exists in the physical world, and has not gone beyond light speed in which case he would be in the speed force realm.

UNDERSTAND now. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
English isn't your primary langauge is it?

basic reasoning skills arent your strong point are they? btw, what is not replying and senslessly trying to diss other people achieving for you?

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Oh & leonheartmm, next time you want to flame someone, at least do it in an articulate way to not show you're a total ass.

lmao, for your "own sake" SHUT UP, your not doing yourself any favours. every one of your posts have displayed your subconcious desperately trying to show how much of an idiot you can be.

heres some advice, go downstairs to grandma's house, eat some mouldy oreos dunked in milk and get on with your janitorial occupation, your one and only true callling in life.

oh and another thing

Best post in this thread since that ass leonheartmm started trying to "debate".

not posting anything but senless rants and tantrums doesnt change the fact that you hvent even attempted to counter a single point given. why then are you trying to hide behind other supes fans to convince no1 but yourself, that your oppinion matters in this thread?

{it is also quite wierd that all of the initial dragon ball supporters have left the thread due to exhaustive and circular replies. and the only ones in thsi thread are superman supporters. really it is quite amusing to have 6 different people try and flame you[well SOME] anyway after each post 🙂 }