Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Magee
Thats your opinion, he was never shown to be stronger in fact Goku is the strongest of them all considering he is the only person shown to lift a numerical weight i.e 40 tons. You can only guess that he is physicaly stronger than Goku but there is nothing to suggest he is.

Goku wasn't shown to be the strongest.

He just wasn't shown to be weaker, either.

I mean, saying that person A is stronger than person B, because A lifted something big doesn't really matter unless you have B failing to do the same.

Yeah, yeah, I know you could use an argument like that to say that Chi Chi may be able to lift forty tons just as easily, but you get the idea. Within comparable levels, unless you have comparable feats (either successes or failures) you can't compare the two. There simply isn't enough information.

gohan is comletely weaker. goku never tried his hardest originally in the fights with buu. if you had payed any attention at all you would have heard that he wanted the REST OF EARTH to beat buu, so they could be ready to defend earth in the future without his help.clearly he was holding back, because he later beats the living shit out of buu. btw mystic gohan is as strong as he was when he beat cell. why do we know this? Because vegeta said clearly, that he had gotten weaker. so even imagining that he did get stronger that super saiyan 2 fight, goku would still be stronger because gohan had never reached super saiyan 3.

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You're so ignorant that it isn't funny.

We're talking about physical strength here, in sheer power it was VERY clear that Chou Gohan was quite superior to his father - even when his father lost his eyebrows and had floor-length hair. 😬.

You have to look at it like this:

Why would his speed & power be increased from the mystic power up while his strength basically stays the same? That makes no type of sense.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
You have to look at it like this:

Why would his speed & power be increased from the mystic power up while his strength basically stays the same? That makes no type of sense.

Lots of things don't make sense in comics and manga alike.

However, we have evidence that his speed and power increased, we have no evidence that his physical strength increased.

Why wouldn't his physical strength increase? Just give me one good reason why his physical strength wouldn't increase.

it would, all im saying is goku remains the stronger. i am saying he gets a lil stronger than his kid super saiyan 2. goku still could beat him in strength

What are you basing this on?

the fact that he beats the shit out off buu. no scratch that KID BUU, who was so many many times stronger than say umm super buu, who gohan was unable to beat

Goku couldn't beat Kid Buu, he lost and needed to use a Genki Dama while Vegeta distracted him. And Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Goku couldn't beat Kid Buu, he lost and needed to use a Genki Dama while Vegeta distracted him. And Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu.

Cosigned, Super Buu was so much Goku's superior that he was willing to permanently fuse with Mr. Satan even if it would only present an infinitesimal increase to his chances.

Against Kid Buu, however, Goku could have easily beaten him with the full power of SSJ3 meaning that Gohan or Gotenks could have easily schooled him as well, even quicker and more easily, in fact.

excuse me, if i heard correctly, supreme ki clearly said all versions of buu were weaker than kid buu because each absorption made him weaker because they were weaker. and he said kid buu is the most evil and powerful buu.

Then you heard incorrectly.

Kid Buu is the most dangerous version because all he cares for is wanton destruction. However, it's CRYSTAL clear that he is far weaker than the Super Buu's that preceeded him. The only Buu that is weaker than Kid Buu is Fat/Skinny Buu. And even that's arguable.

umm no actualy. again u missed what i said. reread the manga or watch the tv show, supreme kai clearly states he is the strngest versio of buu

Absorbing the Kaioshins made Buu weaker, absorbing people like Gotenks, Picollo, Gohan, etc. made him stronger, because they had different types of energy. When Babidi's servants came to the tournament they even said they couldn't use Kaioshin's energy to awaken Buu because it was worthless for that purpose.

What's interesting about Goku's SSJ3 form, however, is that in a living body he can only maintain it for a few minutes before losing energy, and in a dead body if he uses it for more than a few minutes he uses up his remaining time on earth and has to go back to the afterlife. So although it may increase his power it actually decreases his stamina.

EDIT: Kaioshin said Kid Buu was the most dangerous form, not the most powerful. There's a difference.

if u please post a scan of that mike. btw later he can sustain the form longer

i base most of my facts off the anime anyways so, just lettin ya know. in the anime it says powerful and dangerous.

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The anime isn't canon, only the manga is

He didnt even say that in the anime, he said the same thing as in the manga, just that he was pure evil so more dangerous not that he was the most powerful out of all the versions.