Originally posted by Skeets
and you overlook the fact that Superman doesn't fight at light speed...😬
Supes can fight and has fought at high speeds and light speed, did you check out the many scans I and everyone esle posted on his respect thread? His brain moves at a way faster speed then theirs also, so fast that he can easily see light speed movements in some of the smallest spaces. 😕
Originally posted by dvampire
Supes can fight and has fought at high speeds and light speed, did you check out the many scans I and everyone esle posted on his respect thread? His brain moves at a way faster speed then theirs also, so fast that he can easily see light speed movements in some of the smallest spaces. 😕
OK when lex luther became president superman got so pissed he went off and destroyed a bunch of dead planets by cutting throw them plus" Ki" is just a different word for"will" and superman has broken throw pure will before about 1000 miles of will plus Pre crisis superman could blow out a spirit Bomb and could fly at any speed
Originally posted by jinzin
it doesn'thave to man it's a self evident fact...piccolos beam canon reaches escape velocity and hits the moon in 2 seconds.. it takes 1.45 seconds for light to reach the earth from the moon, so radditz dodged something that was 60% the speed of light.... he's a 1200 level character.. hence anyone with a PL of 2400 could dodge something that's 120% the speed of light.. it's simplistic logic.
PL increase NEVER means speed increase as well or did you forget the cell saga an Trunks being too slow to catch cell after he powered up?
The point being superman could go so fast he could travel back in time, no DBZ character has EVER gone that fast. Superman is faster, period. Superman has taken a blast so powerful it knocked him thru time, again no DBZ character has EVER taken a blast that knocked them thru time, let alone survive a weak blast like cell blowing himself up, Superman is tougher, period.
No DBZ feats ever will stack up to the feats superman has performed, theres nothing to argue. You merely speculate, you have nothing to back your speculation. If you dont realize that then you're too stupid to argue about this.
Originally posted by Skeets
But is he actually moving at light speed himself while fighting?On earth.
Not all the time. He normally holds back to keep from destroying the enviroment around him, Supes rarely goes at his top speed on Earth because of that. But he has done light speed movement like vibrating his body so fast that he goes intangible and invisible. He's done speed feats like creating tornados on a whim, using his speed to stop a nuclear explosion, and fought with other characters that have superspeed as well; like Captian Marvel, WW, Black Adam, Eradicator, Doomsday, Orion, G. Zod, Supergirl and plenty more.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Batman has dodged lasers, is he faster than light too?
there's a difference between evasive maneuvers and dodging something.. you give me one instance where a lazer blast has started with batman being in a fixed position and batman being able to side step it AFTER it's been fired and I'll shut up with the whole radditz thing... 😐
i like how time in DBZ means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.. unless it comes to DBZ characters powering up...
I mean piccolo's beam hitting the moon in 2 seconds.. well that was for the audience...
the whole 4 eps to cover 5 minutes.. cause frieza has a different perception of minutes.. even though goku never questions it.. 😕..... but it doesn't count.
but goku powering up.. NOW THAT COUNTS.. 🙄 such a double standard...
Originally posted by jinzin
there's a difference between evasive maneuvers and dodging something.. you give me one instance where a lazer blast has started with batman being in a fixed position and batman being able to side step it AFTER it's been fired and I'll shut up with the whole radditz thing... 😐
It doesn't matter since nither of them (batman or Raditz) are light speed just because they dodged a beam. 😕
Originally posted by NPC
PL increase NEVER means speed increase as well or did you forget the cell saga an Trunks being too slow to catch cell after he powered up [B]
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that was SPECIFICALLY because of the body bulking up... he was in NO WAY used to that body bulkage... look... yes he increased his power, but he increased his bulk as well.. by over 300% in an instant... it was something that he practiced but unlike goku's super saiyan training, it WASN'T something he stayed in for long durations of time... thus he wasn't used to the oversized bulk... when frieza did the same thing his speed increased like a mofo.. and another example would be brolly who suffered NO decrease in speed.. if the onyl example you can find is this on then you have no argument since it's contingent on a circumstance...
the fact is higher PL's ALWAYS show higher speed in EVERY case....
goku using kao ken got faster..
vegeta powering up got faster..
frieza changing from form II to form III got WAY faster
form 4 was faster than that
etc etc etc...
hell even burta who's forte' was superspeed was still outsped by goku's speed to the point he couldn't even register goku's movements.. why? cause goku had a higher PL.. you're full of it.. you want to try and take another swing at that theory cause thus far it falls flat on it's face.
Originally posted by NPCNo he's not... goku can cover galaxies in an instant (maybe at worst a few seconds) it takes superman minutes to fly to the sun... superman is in now way faster... ESPECIALLY in combat... which is the real argument here...
[B]The point being superman could go so fast he could travel back in time, no DBZ character has EVER gone that fast. Superman is faster, period. [B]
superman needs to accelerate to lightspeed to begin with, DBZ characters are already fast enough to react to light speed and fight at that speed... so unless supes fights faster than the speed of light.. a feat which I have yet to see him do, he can't compete...
Originally posted by NPCno they just scream loud enough to rip through demensional barriers.. 😕 WITH A SCREAM.. of course.. on the other hand DBZ's also not retarded enough to think that spinning the earth backwards would successfully reverse time either..
[B]Superman has taken a blast so powerful it knocked him thru time, again no DBZ character has EVER taken a blast that knocked them thru time, [B]
Originally posted by NPCwhat part of this don't you understand? DBZ characters NEED power for defense as well as offense... when goku I.T.ed cell he could BARELY STAND... he had NO power left.. nor did he EVEN TRY to whether the explosion... 😬
[B] let alone survive a weak blast like cell blowing himself up, Superman is tougher, period.[B]
Originally posted by NPCIf you don't realize how fundamentally important the PL system is in DBZ then you aren't in a position to be calling ANYONE stupid.. it's not about specualation it's about mathematics.. if superman had a power that made him 2 times stronger than he was before you could easily use arguments that double his feats by two.. that's all we're doing.. it has nothing to do with speculation it has more to do with CALCULATION... and given the examples and reasoning you've just displayed in this post if anyone shouldn't be arguing about this, it's your dumb ass...
[B] No DBZ feats ever will stack up to the feats superman has performed, theres nothing to argue. You merely speculate, you have nothing to back your speculation. If you dont realize that then you're too stupid to argue about this.
Originally posted by dvampireexcept for the fact that it's not teleportation.. watch movie six.. cooler is CLEARLY about to smack vegeta in the back of the skull WHILE IN I.T. mode.. hence NOT TELEPORTATION...
Supes doesn't need it, he'll just wait for Goku to reappear, since it's just a teleport and not speed. This isn't the first time Supes has fought a teleporter btw.
goku and cooler are shown running while using I.T. hence NOT teleportation....
"superman's superspeed is just hyperbole, he hasn't actually performed the feats DC intended to produce" shock
Originally posted by dvampire
Not all the time. He normally holds back to keep from destroying the enviroment around him, Supes rarely goes at his top speed on Earth because of that. But he has done light speed movement like vibrating his body so fast that he goes intangible and invisible. He's done speed feats like creating tornados on a whim, using his speed to stop a nuclear explosion, and fought with other characters that have superspeed as well; like Captian Marvel, WW, Black Adam, Eradicator, Doomsday, Orion, G. Zod, Supergirl and plenty more.
Originally posted by dvampire
Supes doesn't need it, he'll just wait for Goku to reappear, since it's just a teleport and not speed. This isn't the first time Supes has fought a teleporter btw.
Originally posted by dvampire
It doesn't matter since nither of them (batman or Raditz) are light speed just because they dodged a beam. 😕
Originally posted by dvampireit DOES matter.. batman needs to have dodged a laser AFTER it's been fired directly at him to successfully support him dodging lasers.. radditz did just that... has batman? if he has fine I'll give you ANOTHER proof that DBZers are faster than light speed in terms of reflexes and fighting... untill then you still haven't overcome the radditz proof.. no one has for that matter...
It doesn't matter since nither of them (batman or Raditz) are light speed just because they dodged a beam. 😕
I really don't get why they keep bringing up the supes vibrating examples.. goku and vegeta have already blasted people out of other demensions.. supes couldn't avoid an explosion he was inside of no matter how fast he was vibrating..
not to mention the fact that goku's already produced a similar feat at a point were he was more than 100% weaker then he ended up being by the end of the frieza saga... 😕