Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by jinzin
except for the fact that it's not teleportation.. watch movie six.. cooler is CLEARLY about to smack vegeta in the back of the skull WHILE IN I.T. mode.. hence NOT TELEPORTATION...

goku and cooler are shown running while using I.T. hence NOT teleportation....

"superman's superspeed is just hyperbole, he hasn't actually performed the feats DC intended to produce" shock

Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0toABo&search=Smallville

How is it hyperbole? 😕

Originally posted by dvampire
Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0toABo&search=Smallville

How is it hyperbole? 😕

Originally posted by dvampire
Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0toABo&search=Smallville

How is it hyperbole? 😕

this is a non cannon DBZ thread... 😕

if you can't even grasp that simple conscept than you're as hopeless as unknown... 😐

It's not a teleport.. even if this WAS a cannon thread and it's not it's STILL not a teleport.. goku describes it as INSTANTANEOUS MOVEMENT in the manga.. NOT teleportation.

it's not hyperbole that's the point.. you guys keep trying to put off DBZ feats like they didn't happen... or they don't count for some reason.. I'm just throwing that illogic back in your faces.

and while we're on smallville.. he gets owned by every teenager with a power that shows up in that show.. but he'd beat goku? 🤨

Originally posted by Skeets
DBZ characters do that all the time so i don't see how supes has the speed advantage.
It's not as simple as you make it sound and if I'm not mistaken could be wrong,when goku was fighting recoome and then bertur vegeta commented on how Goku was moving at the speed of light.
pretty much.You got to take into account the distance the projectile traveled and such.

1. DBZ characters never moved so fast that they body became intangible or invisible, they have never used their speed to create tornados, or moved so fast that they contain a nuclear explosion with their speed. So Supes does indeed have the speed advantage.

2. Recoom and Burter was just too slow along with the other that were watching Goku. They wasn't fast enough to see him move, he wasn't vibrating, he was just to fast to be seen by slower characters (Vegeta was only able to see Goku's foot prints when was moving from their attacks). This never happened in the manga btw. So again, they're not light speed.

3. Spiderman dodges beams even at close range, and he does it much easier then what Raditz has done. Do you think he's light speed too then?

Originally posted by Skeets
So you can use Smallville a non-canon show but you dismiss everything from the DbZ movies....🤨

"superman's superspeed is just hyperbole, he hasn't actually performed the feats DC intended to produce"

Jinzin say's that Supe using his speed is hyperbole, I was just putting up an example of him using his speed even in his weakest version, that he does use his speed. There's plenty of scans showing Supes in his comics using his speed, I wanted to show that he uses even outside of comics, since he claims that Supes using his speed is hyperbole.

Originally posted by jinzin
this is a non cannon DBZ thread... 😕

if you can't even grasp that simple conscept than you're as hopeless as unknown... 😐

It's not a teleport.. even if this WAS a cannon thread and it's not it's STILL not a teleport.. goku describes it as INSTANTANEOUS MOVEMENT in the manga.. NOT teleportation.

it's not hyperbole that's the point.. you guys keep trying to put off DBZ feats like they didn't happen... or they don't count for some reason.. I'm just throwing that illogic back in your faces.

Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0to...arch=Smallville

How is it hyperbole?

Originally posted by dvampire
1. DBZ characters never moved so fast that they body became intangible or invisible, they have never used their speed to create tornados, or moved so fast that they contain a nuclear explosion with their speed. So Supes does indeed have the speed advantage.

2. Recoom and Burter was just too slow along with the other that were watching Goku. They wasn't fast enough to see him move, he wasn't vibrating, he was just to fast to be seen by slower characters (Vegeta was only able to see Goku's foot prints when was moving from their attacks). This never happened in the manga btw. So again, they're not light speed.

3. Spiderman dodges beams even at close range, and he does it much easier then what Raditz has done. Do you think he's light speed too then?

how is phasing through attacks without moving NOT intangible through vibration? 😐

cause that's what happened.

frieza has created tsunami's with his power. and planetary storms..
cell has forced planets accross several galaxies to quake just by powering up. Has superman shaken planets accross several galaxies without touching them? 😐

spiderman has a precognative sense that allows him to dodge the beam of what is coming at him before it's even shot.... again give me an example of a lazer that's shot at him dead center and he's shown to side step it AFTER it's been blasted..

Originally posted by dvampire
"superman's superspeed is just hyperbole, he hasn't actually performed the feats DC intended to produce"

Jinzin say's that Supe using his speed is hyperbole, I was just putting up an example of him using his speed even in his weakest version, that he does use his speed. There's plenty of scans showing Supes in his comics using his speed, I wanted to show that he uses even outside of comics, since he claims that Supes using his speed is hyperbole.

Originally posted by dvampire
Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0to...arch=Smallville

How is it hyperbole?

Originally posted by jinzin
this is a non cannon DBZ thread... 😕

if you can't even grasp that simple conscept than you're as hopeless as unknown... 😐

It's not a teleport.. even if this WAS a cannon thread and it's not it's STILL not a teleport.. goku describes it as INSTANTANEOUS MOVEMENT in the manga.. NOT teleportation.

it's not hyperbole that's the point.. you guys keep trying to put off DBZ feats like they didn't happen... or they don't count for some reason.. I'm just throwing that illogic back in your faces.

tell me were goku states it's teleportation.

even in the american dub he says it's akin to traveling as a big ball of light.... 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
and while we're on smallville.. he gets owned by every teenager with a power that shows up in that show.. but he'd beat goku? 🤨

Know one ever said that smallville clark whould beat Goku. And he only gets in troble because he always holds back or they're useing his weakness. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
my point was that it WASN'T hyperbole.... I was projecting your sides own argument back against you to let you see how ridiculous it sounds.. goku's feats don't count? well then neither do suprmans. see how easy that works?

Who said his feats don't count? I put Goku and any other DBZ chracter at their highest (using manga only). I said his feats doesn't match Supes, it's why Goku loses.

Originally posted by dvampire
Know one ever said that smallville clark whould beat Goku. And he only gets in troble because he always holds back or they're useing his weakness. 😕

he certainly seemed to imply such right here...

Originally posted by The Unknown
Maybe, maybe not... Smallville Clark is still shown to be faster than the Z Fighters.

so sands a weakness of superman now? when did that start?

so mutant morphing is a weakness of superman now? again when did that start?

Originally posted by dvampire
Who said his feats don't count? I put Goku and any other DBZ chracter at their highest (using manga only). I said his feats doesn't match Supes, it's why Goku loses.

and you're practically saying his feats don't count every time you claim IT is telportation.. again when did goku say it was?

Originally posted by jinzin
tell me were goku states it's teleportation.

even in the american dub he says it's akin to traveling as a big ball of light.... 😕

Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0to...arch=Smallville

How is it hyperbole?

If it was speed, then why wasn't he able to beat Cell or Buu? 😕

I could show you the scan, but why feed you something you already know.

Originally posted by jinzin
THIS ISN'T JUST MANGA... READ THE TITLE... THIS THREAD ATTACKS GT CHARACTERS... GT IS NOT MANGA.. GT ACCOUNTS THE MOVIES AS EXISTING! 😠

and you're practically saying his feats don't count every time you claim IT is telportation.. again when did goku say it was?

Who said his feats don't count? I put Goku and any other DBZ chracter at their highest (using manga only). I said his feats doesn't match Supes, it's why Goku loses.

I'm not using GT, only DBZ. 😕

Originally posted by dvampire
Movies aren't cannon (again).

It's a teleport that's it, once he teleport can't hit Supes until he reappears same goes for Supes not being able to hit Goku until he reappears. But since the move takes time focus on someones KI, it won't help much in a fight against Supes.

Supes speed is part of his abilities, he's been shown plenty of times using his superspeed. Even in the Smallville show, his Superspeed is one of his most used powerset.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo81q0to...arch=Smallville

How is it hyperbole?

If it was speed, then why wasn't he able to beat Cell or Buu? 😕

I could show you the scan, but why feed you something you already know.

why doesn't supes fly back from anyone he sees with kryptonite and just blast them with hotter than the sun heat vision eradicating said kryptonite instead of running in head on getting weak and getting his ass whomped? CIS.. it's pretty cut and dry..

Originally posted by dvampire
Who said his feats don't count? I put Goku and any other DBZ chracter at their highest (using manga only). I said his feats doesn't match Supes, it's why Goku loses.

I'm not using GT, only DBZ. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
how is phasing through attacks without moving NOT intangible through vibration? 😐

cause that's what happened.

frieza has created tsunami's with his power. and planetary storms..
cell has forced planets accross several galaxies to quake just by powering up. Has superman shaken planets accross several galaxies without touching them? 😐

spiderman has a precognative sense that allows him to dodge the beam of what is coming at him before it's even shot.... again give me an example of a lazer that's shot at him dead center and he's shown to side step it AFTER it's been blasted..

1. One is moving fast that others can't see him move (Goku), while the other is capable of moving so fast that he phases right through on-coming beams (Superman).

2. Your second paragrph is hyperbole.

3. And Spiderman still dodged lasers.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6634101

Even Gambit does it.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9139/gambit05115fh.jpg

Is he light speed now too? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
CIS. why doesn't superman fight darksied with the speed you guys keep saying he has in every superman darksied fight? for purposed of CIS.. why didn't goku use KIO KEN while in his super saiyan form in their fights either he could certainly do it.. CIS again..

why doesn't supes fly back from anyone he sees with kryptonite and just blast them with hotter than the sun heat vision eradicating said kryptonite instead of running in head on getting weak and getting his ass whomped? CIS.. it's pretty cut and dry..

Maybe because like all of his fights, he holds back. And Darkseid has Superspeed just like his son Orion. When both him and Orion was fighting, they were using superspeed.

And why whould Supes kill. He's has always been protrayed to hold back from harming other people, he won't just up and kill.

You're starting to sound like a kid Jinzin (I hope your not older then me). 😕