Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yeah but Goku holds back so he doesn't blow up the earth, not just hurt the people around him.

When has this ever been stated? It hasn't right? Just more of your fanboyism. Goku or any other DBZ/GT character even at the end wasn't capable of stuff like that. I think it's kind of pathectic that the DBZ/GT fans have to lie about their characters strength for them to win.

How about bringing evidence. For now on if you're going to claim Goku did something, give us the exact episode (as long as it's cannon) or the manga issue and chapter.

Again Supes wins. He's faster, stronger, more durable, has way better stamina, and is way smater.

Originally posted by dvampire
Goku doesn't have the power to destroy the sun, and Supes can survive without the sun for weeks. So Goku would basically be killing himself even if he was strong enough (which he's not) to destroy the sun since he can't breath in space. 🙂

He is strong enough to blow up the sun, and he wouldn't Die he'd just IT to another planet.

Killing superman would be very simple for goku.

Also it states very clearly when he is fighting Buu on earth that he has to refrain from using full strength because the earth can't handle it. When they go the other plant after buu blows up earth Goku says Alright now I can fight at full strength. Watch DBZ again.

He is strong enough to blow up the sun

Goku fired a 10 times Kamehameha at the sun in GT and it did nothing. Wrong.

Also it states very clearly when he is fighting Buu on earth that he has to refrain from using full strength because the earth can't handle it. When they go the other plant after buu blows up earth Goku says Alright now I can fight at full strength. Watch DBZ again

As I remember it Goku said he held back to allow Trunks and Goten to have a crack at Buu. It also makes no sense. Super Vegetto didn't destroy the Earth and he was much stronger than SS3 Goku. So was mystic Gohan.

As for the blast they can shoot out many different types of blast, some blast are made to only do surface damage and some are made to pierce in for depth

This a popular piece of Fanon among the DBZ fan community. It allows them to believe that Dragonball Z characters routinely fire planet destroying blasts around but hold back the damage somehow.

Unfortunately this has no basis in the fiction. Any time a planet busting attack is used it is indicated by the character themselves or someone else that they have put more energy into the attack. If this theory was true neither Goku or Vegeta would of felt it was necessary to fire potentially planet destroying blasts at cell if they felt they could have the same power with a lower area of effect.

A nuke does a huge surface area damage but doesn't create a huge crater, but a bunker buster creates a huge crater but little surface area damage.

That's because Nuclear Bombs are detonated well above ground level. Which is why there is no crater. Little boy was detonated at a height of 580 metres.

For the effects a powerful explosion look at the results of Asteroid impacts or underground nuclear testing. there is always a huge crater.

Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image😖edan_Plowshare_Crater.jpg

Do some research guys when you want to mouth of about a theory based on science. This is almost as bad as the idiot who though light can get to Saturn in less than four minutes. It's the internet guys, research isn't hard. It takes 80 minutes for light to reach Saturn. Yes I'm talking to you Carver9.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Actually goku threatens the earth when he powers up the SSJ3. His immense power almost causes the earth to crumble which is why he had to power up so slowly. As for the blast they can shoot out many different types of blast, some blast are made to only do surface damage and some are made to pierce in for depth. The attacks that just make craters are just shoots to do surface area damage. You can also relate them to missiles. A nuke does a huge surface area damage but doesn't create a huge crater, but a bunker buster creates a huge crater but little surface area damage.

No Gokou powers up to SSJ3 slowly because he isn't use to it, he even tells Buu sorry it took so long I'm not use to this form.

Sorry here's the picture of the crater.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Sedan_Plowshare_Crater.jpg

*sigh*

Only a DBZ fan would think that if an attack hits a planet and only creates a 10 - foot crater, that it was still a planet - destroying attack.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
*sigh*

Only a DBZ fan would think that if an attack hits a planet and only creates a 10 - foot crater, that it was still a planet - destroying attack.

You do know how huge that crater is right?

Goku might have planet destroying power in GT since he once refrained from firing a blast because he didn't want to miss and kill everyone on the planet.

Goku Kamehameha Hit blased Baby all the way to the sun the Kamehameha hit Baby not the sun.

Gotenks and Veggeto could control there power all inside there bodys ware as SSj3 goku couldn't becuase he wasn't very good with SSJ3 yet.

Vegeta's Gallet gun is designed to blow up planets and his regular blast is not and that is why it does little damage to the earth. The nuke and the bunker buster were just examples of how different wepons or attacks do different types of damage.

Goku Kamehameha Hit blased Baby all the way to the sun the Kamehameha hit Baby not the sun

So the blast magically dissipated after it hit Baby? Baby was knocked into the sun by that blast and yet the sun was fine.

Gotenks and Veggeto could control there power all inside there bodys ware as SSj3 goku couldn't becuase he wasn't very good with SSJ3 yet.

There's no evidence with the Anime or Manga to support this.

Vegeta's Gallet gun is designed to blow up planets and his regular blast is not and that is why it does little damage to the earth. The nuke and the bunker buster were just examples of how different wepons or attacks do different types of damage.

You didn't answer my point. Your saying things that have no evidence from the manga or anime while my theories have ample evidence.

Why would Vegeta use a planet destroying attack like Final flash on cell if by your your logic he can fire an equally powerful blast that won't destroy the planet.?

As I explained the damage the two types do is nothing to with their type. It is to do with the height of detonation. A Nuke detonated at ground level will leave a crater. Come on man I even showed a picture.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
So the blast magically dissipated after it hit Baby? Baby was knocked into the sun by that blast and yet the sun was fine.

There's no evidence with the Anime or Manga to support this.

You didn't answer my point. Your saying things that have no evidence from the manga or anime while my theories have ample evidence.

Why would Vegeta use a planet destroying attack like Final flash on cell if by your your logic he can fire an equally powerful blast that won't destroy the planet.?

As I explained the damage the two types do is nothing to with their type. It is to do with the height of detonation. A Nuke detonated at ground level will leave a crater. Come on man I even showed a picture.

That's your only comeback? Argue back use some actual evidence against me. I've seen all of Dragonball, watched every episode more than once read the manga. I know more than you, judging your lack of knowlege between the differences between the anime and manga and the flaws in the dub.

It's the knowledge of both characters that has led me to believe Superman will win.

Originally posted by xmeat
just face it you know very little about dbz.

I know, he totally owned me.

[QUOTE=8249937]Originally posted by Galvaclaw

There's no evidence with the Anime or Manga to support this.

He clearly said it after he transformed into ssj3 actually watch and listen to dbz.

He does clearly say it rewatch it with your ears and eyes open.

The only evidence you have given that superman can beat goku is look at the respect page. I looked at the respect page and still think Goku would win so your going to need more reasons that look at the respect thread.

I looked up the scene in question. Goku's lines in the ocean dub are:

"I'm sorry that took so much longer than the others, but I haven't has much occasion to practice this one.' Nothing to do with damaging the planet.

Tien mentions that if Goku continues he could destroy the planet in the dub. However in the Japanese version the line is completely different:

' T- the entire Earth is shaking...! I-is this Goku's power?Even with us so far away?'

Don't try and claim I know nothing about DragonBall Z. I'll own you with my superior knowledge.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I looked up the scene in question. Goku's lines in the ocean dub are:

"I'm sorry that took so much longer than the others, but I haven't has much occasion to practice this one.' Nothing to do with damaging the planet.

Tien mentions that if Goku continues he could destroy the planet in the dub. However in the Japanese version the line is completely different:

' T- the entire Earth is shaking...! I-is this Goku's power?Even with us so far away?'

Don't try and claim I know nothing about DragonBall Z. I'll own you with my superior knowledge.

They probably have only seen the Funi dub.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You do know how huge that crater is right?

Goku might have planet destroying power in GT since he once refrained from firing a blast because he didn't want to miss and kill everyone on the planet.

Was this stated? Nope. Goku in GT could barely take a nuking explosion, and was knocked out of his transformation in ssj4 by his own attack.

As for ssj4 Goku being crazy powerful, think again. He's not nearly as strong as you guys think, stop overhyping him.

Here's where he gets knocked out of his own attack.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B50/video/xpa5j_dragonball-gt-50

In this episode he struggles to push a building back in place and to lift people up on a falling rock. His strnegth is inferior to Supes.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B52/video/xpfnb_dragonball-gt-52

This episode shows how useless IT would be in combat against Supes, it's not that fast in pulling off.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B36/video/xmw7i_dragonball-gt-36

This shows how dumb he is in combat, and how slow IT is (again).

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B46/video/xojcy_dragonball-gt-46

Listen to what Nova Shinron says about Goku's IT, he stats that it's useless against someone with superspeed; He also says that Goku's Kamehameha wave is to slow for his speed. SSJ4 Goku is also easily burned and Frozen. Supes Heat Vision which is great than that of a star, and hasn't shown it's full capacity could easily destroy Goku; Ice Breath/Beam also.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B56/video/xq63p_dragonball-gt-56

This shows how slow ssj4 Goku is in speed. He couldn't even beat Omega Shinron's energy blasts, and was hit.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B57/video/xqai3_dragonball-gt-57

Omega Shinron could barely out race an explosion

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Dragonball%2BGT%2Bepisode%2B58/video/xqlb7_dragonball-gt-58

Supes wins.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I looked up the scene in question. Goku's lines in the ocean dub are:

"I'm sorry that took so much longer than the others, but I haven't has much occasion to practice this one.' Nothing to do with damaging the planet.

Tien mentions that if Goku continues he could destroy the planet in the dub. However in the Japanese version the line is completely different:

' T- the entire Earth is shaking...! I-is this Goku's power?Even with us so far away?'

Don't try and claim I know nothing about DragonBall Z. I'll own you with my superior knowledge.