Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Thing is though Goku isn't going to remain conscious after a barrage of blow from Superman. Goku's strength feats put him as a low class 100 in the multiple thousands of tons at most of strength. He can withstand blows of people around his level but is still hurt as much as we would being punched by another person.

Superman has helped move the Earth. It means he has over a Zettaton of strength. 10 with 21 zeroes. A full powered blow could knock Goku out of the Solar system if it didn't turn him to mist. Now while Superman doesn't want to kill him you can see the difference.

I'd also point out the Kamehameha won't have the power to kill him. It also requires Superman to sit there like cell did while Goku charges it.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Thing is though Goku isn't going to remain conscious after a barrage of blow from Superman. Goku's strength feats put him as a low class 100 in the multiple thousands of tons at most of strength. He can withstand blows of people around his level but is still hurt as much as we would being punched by another person.

Superman has helped move the Earth. It means he has over a Zettaton of strength. 10 with 21 zeroes. A full powered blow could knock Goku out of the Solar system if it didn't turn him to mist. Now while Superman doesn't want to kill him you can see the difference.

I'd also point out the Kamehameha won't have the power to kill him. It also requires Superman to sit there like cell did while Goku charges it.

No question that just one small Kamehameha couldn't kill superman but it would hurt him and with enough of them he will be weakened.

Goku's strength has never been mesured when he was SSJ4, or even SSJ3. He was very weak when it showed him lifting compaired to the final product which is SSJ4.

And after a hit from superman Goku isn't going to want to take another one he will IT out of there.

We did see Goku's Super sayain 4 limit we saw him struggle lifting a street and lifting an office building with Vegeta. He's no Superman. I re watched those episodes a few days ago.

Combat speed can't be proven because some points in DBZ you can't see the movement speed, and sometimes it's visible. So you must assume that it is in slow motion when you can see it so you really can't judge the speed of something that is in slow motion.

Superman has feats which give at the very least Lightspeed combat speed and faster than light flying speed.

Without feats to back it up Goku can't be considered to combat speed approaching Superman's. We argue with feats here.

So after being hit from Superman Goku decides to run away lol, makes sense. Supermans combat speed is far greater than Goku's amd I.T wont help him in this fight. Unless ofcourse he needs to run which he will at some point. 1 full powered, no pulling his punch, planet destroyer would make Goku explode, IMHO.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
We did see Goku's Super sayain 4 limit we saw him struggle lifting a street and lifting an office building with Vegeta. He's no Superman. I re watched those episodes a few days ago.

Superman has feats which give at the very least Lightspeed combat speed and faster than light flying speed.

Without feats to back it up Goku can't be considered to combat speed approaching Superman's. We argue with feats here.

Well when Goku fights cell you can't see their movements at first....Then is slows it down to give the veiwers a show. If the movement is beyond site its really close to if not light speed, and that was just SSJ

there is a lot of parts in DBGT and DBZ that don't make sence....them struggleing to lift a building is one of them.

Originally posted by Magee
So after being hit from Superman Goku decides to run away lol, makes sense. Supermans combat speed is far greater than Goku's amd I.T wont help him in this fight. Unless ofcourse he needs to run which he will at some point. 1 full powered, no pulling his punch, planet destroyer would make Goku explode, IMHO.

Well everything in the thread is a IMHO. I fell the same way about a SSJ4 punch to superman, but having one person exploded the other one with just a punch is unreasonable becuase it would be one fanboy saying "he'd kill him in one hit" vs the other fanboy "saying no he'd kill him in one hit".

After geting punched by superman Goku would most defenetly IT away and think of a better stratagy.

Well when Goku fights cell you can't see their movements at first....Then is slows it down to give the veiwers a show. If the movement is beyond site its really close to if not light speed, and that was just SSJ

Move your hand side to side quickly infront of your face. It's a blur right?Human eyes aren't as good as you think, someone fighting at just above the speed of sound would appear invisible. Actually someone moving much slower would be able to vanish from sight too.

there is a lot of parts in DBGT and DBZ that don't make sence....them struggleing to lift a building is one of them.

It would be, if there were some high end feats to contradict them. There arn't. Goku just isn't as strong as you think he is.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Well everything in the thread is a IMHO. I fell the same way about a SSJ4 punch to superman, but having one person exploded the other one with just a punch is unreasonable becuase it would be one fanboy saying "he'd kill him in one hit" vs the other fanboy "saying no he'd kill him in one hit".

After geting punched by superman Goku would most defenetly IT away and think of a better stratagy.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Move your hand side to side quickly infront of your face. It's a blur right?Human eyes aren't as good as you think, someone fighting at just above the speed of sound would appear invisible. Actually someone moving much slower would be able to vanish from sight too.

It would be, if there were some high end feats to contradict them. There arn't. Goku just isn't as strong as you think he is.

They become a blur not disappear. A plane going faster than sound is easily visible. The speed required for a human body to vanish without a blur would be very close to speed of light.

There are no real feats of goku lifting things because the show isn't about goku lifting things. If there were a 70 year running of DB magna and anime I'm sure there would be plenty of lifting feats but there just isn't with the current amount of material. Him struggling over the Building was just added in for suspense. Let’s do some math here.

He lifted the 40 tons under 100 times gravity that’s 4000 tons and his power level was at 180,000 at full power. Doing the math that would make every ton needs 45 levels of power.

His power level as SSJ4 is 1,000,000,000 so that would make 22222222 tons. The empire state building weights 365000 tons so yeah him struggling to lift a building is pure BS. O yeah Goku was lifting the 40 tons in 100 Times gravity with one hand and not even supersayain yet.

I'm off of work now I'm going home be back on tomorow to gayafy the supes

Goku lifted just 40 tons, it wasn't any gravity on that planet.

ssj4 Goku never had a power level of 1,000,000,000, this is just more fanboyism.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Well when Goku fights cell you can't see their movements at first....Then is slows it down to give the veiwers a show. If the movement is beyond site its really close to if not light speed, and that was just SSJ

there is a lot of parts in DBGT and DBZ that don't make sence....them struggleing to lift a building is one of them.

There were people able to see Cell and Goku fight. Bulma and Master Roshi was able to see them. Hercule was able to see the whole battle between Goku and Vegeta vcs. Kid Buu on the kai's planet, and Fat Buu vs. Evil Buu. Stop making it seem like they're so fast, they wasn't. And no, they're not even close to being light speed, that's just your imagination.

Originally posted by dvampire
There were people able to see Cell and Goku fight. Bulma and Master Roshi was able to see them. Hercule was able to see the whole battle between Goku and Vegeta vcs. Kid Buu on the kai's planet, and Fat Buu vs. Evil Buu. Stop making it seem like they're so fast, they wasn't. And no, they're not even close to being light speed, that's just your imagination.

Originally posted by xmeat
you know nothing many people watching the cell and goku fight complained they couldn't catch them moving that fast.

Read my post again. And yes people did have a hard time keeping up with their movments but they was able to see, even for just a short time. And Hercule, Bulma, and Roshi was also able to see them, their fast, but not nearly fast enough that Supes couldn't speedbiltz them and easily keep up with their movements. Supes has been shown to be able to keep up with Flash (who is way faster than any DBZ/GT character), WW, and he even taged Zoom in the recent IC. Supes has never been so slow that he couldn't hit anyone, unless they were a Flash like speedster.

Someone did some calculations, originally regarding the speed of the character Seta Soujiro in Rorouni Kenshin, and determined that Soujiro's "Shukuchi" move, where he moved so fast he seemed to disappear and reappear in a completely different location, only required speed around 200 miles per hour.

Honestly, that kind of thing is not impressive at all compared to what Superman can do.

Originally posted by dvampire
Read my post again. And yes people did have a hard time keeping up with their movments but they was able to see, even for just a short time. And Hercule, Bulma, and Roshi was also able to see them, their fast, but not nearly fast enough that Supes couldn't speedbiltz them and easily keep up with their movements. Supes has been shown to be able to keep up with Flash (who is way faster than any DBZ/GT character), WW, and he even taged Zoom in the recent IC. Supes has never been so slow that he couldn't hit anyone, unless they were a Flash like speedster.

I agree, hell if you look closely at IC 7 earth 2 supes actually punched Zoom.

Truth is there is no real label of speed or strength in dbz. I could say they cant move any faster than a few multiples of the speed of sound where as some people like to think they can move at the speed of light. There is no evidence to prove either one of these is incorrect. And Goku was having a hard time training with 40ton weights under normal gravity (may have been 10x).

Does it ever say if Grand Kai's planet actually has more gravity then Earth? I don't even think that part was in the manga.

Though Gokou was able to dodge and catch a rocket shot at him in DB. Not that it's anywhere near Supes speed. There really isn't any speed or strength feats DB or Z. I know Pan flies around the world at 4 but I can't remember if they say how fast it took her.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
O yeah Goku was lifting the 40 tons in 100 Times gravity with one hand and not even supersayain yet.

Pfffffft, what a wuss.

Superman's damn house key weighs 500,000 tons.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Pfffffft, what a wuss.

Superman's damn house key weighs 500,000 tons.

can you show us proof of this?

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
can you show us proof of this?