Dooku's Skill

Originally posted by Darth Vious
I just rewatched the scene on DVD both with and without the commentary. The only point where Dooku is actually struggling with Anakin is when they get into saber locks, and it then comes down to the physical strength of the fighter (Obviously, Anakin is physically stronger than Dooku) After the initial flurry of the double attack by Obi-Wan and Anakin, Dooku is still in good spirits and confident in his ability. The only thing he does do is try to seperate Obi-Wan and Anakin so he can deal with Anakin.
Lucas makes no mention at all in the commentary about Dooku fighting to his full extent, the only mention he does say, is that the actor, Christopher Lee, tried his hardest to perform the duel, but they had to use a stunt double.
From on screen evidence, the only person who actually stood up to Dooku in a full out duel, was Master Yoda. Anakin only stood up to Dooku in RotS because Dooku was clearly taunting him and not trying to kill him. (look how easily Dooku disabled both Anakin and Obi-Wan in AotC, and how easily he threw them around with the Force in RotS) Had it not been a plot requirement that Dooku lost, and been a fair fight, then Dooku had the superior fencing skills. The moves Palpatine displayed against Mace were so readable that they were laughable, (and it was again, only plot necessity that prevented the Jedi from arresting him) so it's clear that he's hardly an exceptional lightsaber duellist (although his Force Powers are more powerfull than Dooku's).

It's no use. None of these uncle-f*cking fanboys will take it as proof. Instead they go by theforce.net and dare I say? SuperShadow?

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
It's no use. None of these uncle-f*cking fanboys will take it as proof. Instead they go by theforce.net and dare I say? SuperShadow?

Heh, well, this is the EU forum. He did kill the Sarlacc and went on the become one of the greatest Mandalorians ever. He even united some clans and liberated a few planets from the Vong.

Boba pwns. But his new voice in the DVD... stinks.

The lack of use of the force against Anakin at moments when he clearly had an opportunity to do so is proof. He could have easily tossed Anakin around like he did Obi-Wan. Yet he didn't. Instead he decided to duel Anakin and taunt him while he did it. Dooku assumed he could hold his own in the duel without having to kill Anakin. He however had not expects Anakin to have such physical strength and was overpowered. I believe Anakin and Obi-Wan are very close in skill to Dooku. But in terms of force control and force power. Dooku was a lot higher then either of them in those areas. If Dooku had truely ment to kill Anakin he would have at least attempted to use some force powers against Anakin. So you see he did hold back. He had opportunities in several parts of the fight to do so. But did not. I do not see Dooku not knowing that they were there. He was an ex-jedi master and a powerful Sith Lord. I am sure he realized there were openings and if he had intended on Killing him he would have done so in those moments. He certantly did not hestitate at knocking Obi-Wan acrossed the room and then making that balcony fall on him. He could have easily done the same to Anakin. Yet he didn't. It is not like he couldn't. It is that he choose not to. Why? Because he was holding back.

Originally posted by Razielim
Heh, well, this is the EU forum.

Well, the great thing about the film was that there was only an implication that he died. It doesn't show him die, but we can only assume he did. The EU stepped in and presented the idea that he did survive and it's been accepted into the continuity since.

Originally posted by Razielim
Well, the great thing about the film was that there was only an implication that he died. It doesn't show him die, but we can only assume he did. The EU stepped in and presented the idea that he did survive and it's been accepted into the continuity since.

If you can assume that, that means that I can assume that the man who was killed by Skywalker at the beginning of ROTS was not Count Dooku, but a mere clone.

Originally posted by Razielim
Well, the great thing about the film was that there was only an implication that he died. It doesn't show him die, but we can only assume he did. The EU stepped in and presented the idea that he did survive and it's been accepted into the continuity since.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
If you can assume that, that means that I can assume that the man who was killed by Skywalker at the beginning of ROTS was not Count Dooku, but a mere clone.

What are you talking about? Anakin was killed by Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith so Palpatine placed Dooku in the Vader suit hoping no one would figure it out.

If you can assume that, that means that I can assume that the man who was killed by Skywalker at the beginning of ROTS was not Count Dooku, but a mere clone.

Well, if an EU (non infinities) story comes out and says the Dooku in RotS was a clone...

Don't give Rampant ox any ideas

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
If you can assume that, that means that I can assume that the man who was killed by Skywalker at the beginning of ROTS was not Count Dooku, but a mere clone.

hahahaha. I like that idea...

lol 😆

Originally posted by Darth Vious
I just rewatched the scene on DVD both with and without the commentary. The only point where Dooku is actually struggling with Anakin is when they get into saber locks, and it then comes down to the physical strength of the fighter (Obviously, Anakin is physically stronger than Dooku) After the initial flurry of the double attack by Obi-Wan and Anakin, Dooku is still in good spirits and confident in his ability. The only thing he does do is try to seperate Obi-Wan and Anakin so he can deal with Anakin.
Lucas makes no mention at all in the commentary about Dooku fighting to his full extent, the only mention he does say, is that the actor, Christopher Lee, tried his hardest to perform the duel, but they had to use a stunt double.
From on screen evidence, the only person who actually stood up to Dooku in a full out duel, was Master Yoda. Anakin only stood up to Dooku in RotS because Dooku was clearly taunting him and not trying to kill him. (look how easily Dooku disabled both Anakin and Obi-Wan in AotC, and how easily he threw them around with the Force in RotS) Had it not been a plot requirement that Dooku lost, and been a fair fight, then Dooku had the superior fencing skills. The moves Palpatine displayed against Mace were so readable that they were laughable, (and it was again, only plot necessity that prevented the Jedi from arresting him) so it's clear that he's hardly an exceptional lightsaber duellist (although his Force Powers are more powerfull than Dooku's).

@Jam-Jul_Lison. Your lack of force use is because Dooku stopped fooling around before Anakin and Obi Wan. So Obi Wan got pwned again by screwing up.. The fight that came afterwards didn't exactly give much room for deciding wich force powers can be used against Anakin.
They both go full out and the fight is decided in a pretty fast pace.
And your theory that if Dooku really ment to kill Anakin, he would have used force powers fails. Force powers don't mean jack, they don't decide fights.

By the way, f*ck your plot requirement bullshit, Lucas meant it this way and Anakin just bested Dooku. There are no signs of taunting anymore once they start fighting seriously.
And get the hell out of here with your nonsense that Dooku could have also easily thrown a balcony on top of Anakin. You Dooku fanboys fail just like he did. There is no indication of Dooku not giving his all and you can say the exact same shit about Anakin.
No matter what Lucas shows, you would never accept that Dooku would be beaten by a brat. And hey! I see that people also haven't accepted yet that Mace defeated Sidious in a saber fight. Stop making up bullshit and get over it.

Mace did beat Palpatine in a saber fight but even if Anakin didn't show up Palpatine would have been the victor.

Anakin is much more powerful in the Force being the Chosen One (though I personally think it was Luke) Dooku was 80 years old, and long passed his peak. So we can't really say who would win in an even fight.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Mace did beat Palpatine in a saber fight but even if Anakin didn't show up Palpatine would have been the victor.

Mace beat Palpatine, reason he died was because of Anakin's intervention.

No, Palpatine was in no danger from Mace when he disarmed him. Yoda (could have I don't know) disarmed Palpatine and you see who won?

Fact is Palpatine could have Force Pushed Mace out the window but he figured why not kill two birds with one stone? Turn Anakin and kill Mace.

Oh and by the way why do the Dooku fanboys want Dooku to be holding back against Anakin? That makes Dooku's death pathetic that he was tricked and lied to so he could die. If Dooku did go all out at least you can see he went out fighting till the end.

I don't think you can compare those two situations. I believe Sidious was pretty much at the end of his latin.
No more trump cards.. A force push wouldn't have saved him.

Originally posted by overlord
I don't think you can compare those two situations. I believe Sidious was pretty much at the end of his latin.
No more trump cards.. A force push wouldn't have saved him.

Look how far Yoda Force Pushed Palpatine. Look at what Dooku did to Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith. Are you saying Palpatine isn't on par with the force to Yoda and that he is weaker in the force to Dooku?