Dooku's Skill

I did answere. "Sigh" I'll do it again then....
(English is not my native language so I might have missed or missunderstood something).

You said that Anakin would have been no good dead? Well it was a test, same as the one with Assaj. If Anakin lost he would not be worthy. Is that clear?

What? Wouldn't you be surprised if you were to be killed by someone, then your father stepped into the room and said "kill him". And what the hell has this with anything to do?

What shows that Dooku is superior?

Originally posted by kamikz
You said that Anakin would have been no good dead? Well it was a test, same as the one with Assaj. If Anakin lost he would not be worthy. Is that clear?

Originally posted by kamikz
What? Wouldn't you be surprised if you were to be killed by someone, then your father stepped into the room and said "kill him".

Originally posted by kamikz
And what the hell has this with anything to do?

Originally posted by kamikz
What shows that Dooku is superior?

Originally posted by overlord
[b]"that Dooku was able to block all of Anakin's swings, which makes Dooku the superior swordsman" OMG!! HE DID NOT DIE IMMEDIATELY SO THAT MEANS HE IS SUPERIOR SWORDSMAN!!!! WHY DIDANT I THINK OF THAT?!!! [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Yes, that is clear and perfectly correct.

Indeed I would.

It is the closest thing in the movie (as there is no dialogue to confirm their plan) to showing that Dooku expected Palpatine to help him in some way.

The fact that in AotC Dooku cut Anakin's arm off while they were fencing, but in RotS, Anakin was unable to cut Dooku's hands off while they were fencing (he had to grab him in order to do so) The fact that Dooku was able to block all of Anakin's blows shows that he is the superior swordsman.

Don't forget that he had switched his duelling form at several points in the battle, while maintaning Skywalker.

AOTC was a long time from ROTS. Anakin grew awefully much in saber skills and force strenght. Nick Gillard stated that Anakin evolved from AOTC to ROTS 5 saber levels. (Levels is just a way to indicate how good he is). Obi-Wan from TPM to ROTS gained 3.....

When I watched AOTC I thought Dooku looked pretty nervous, and his battle with Anakin was not a very easy one. By watching the film, his expression after the fight is one of relife....

Anakin never overcame Dooku's defences at that moment yes, but what means he would never do so? I thought Anakin did much better in ROTS than Dooku did, what says Dooku would have turned the fight? Anakin saw a moment and took it, and it led to victory. He knew Dooku was good, I would have taken that cheap shot to if I knew it ensured victory....

I'm sorry if I appear slow to you, I'm not really used to the language and stuff. Sorry....

Lol I don't know why I am arguing for Anakin all of the sudden...

Originally posted by kamikz
AOTC was a long time from ROTS. Anakin grew awefully much in saber skills and force strenght. Nick Gillard stated that Anakin evolved from AOTC to ROTS 5 saber levels. (Levels is just a way to indicate how good he is). Obi-Wan from TPM to ROTS gained 3.....

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin never overcame Dooku's defences at that moment yes, but what means he would never do so?

Originally posted by kamikz
I thought Anakin did much better in ROTS than Dooku did, what says Dooku would have turned the fight?

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin saw a moment and took it, and it led to victory.

Originally posted by kamikz
I'm sorry if I appear slow to you, I'm not really used to the language and stuff. Sorry....

Originally posted by kamikz
AOTC was a long time from ROTS. Anakin grew awefully much in saber skills and force strenght. Nick Gillard stated that Anakin evolved from AOTC to ROTS 5 saber levels. (Levels is just a way to indicate how good he is). Obi-Wan from TPM to ROTS gained 3.....

When I watched AOTC I thought Dooku looked pretty nervous, and his battle with Anakin was not a very easy one. By watching the film, his expression after the fight is one of relife....

Anakin never overcame Dooku's defences at that moment yes, but what means he would never do so? I thought Anakin did much better in ROTS than Dooku did, what says Dooku would have turned the fight? Anakin saw a moment and took it, and it led to victory. He knew Dooku was good, I would have taken that cheap shot to if I knew it ensured victory....

I'm sorry if I appear slow to you, I'm not really used to the language and stuff. Sorry....

After the fight Dooku did sigh. It was one of disgust. He had never seen such shoddy duelling before. Anakin was too busy showing off his "skills" in the duel, while Obi-Wan was passive/aggressive. He didn't make any successful advances whatsoever. about the language thing, no worries.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
It was three years. That is not such a long time compared to the gap between TPM and AotC. All the characters grew in skill from one film to the next. If Anakin and Obi-Wan grew in skill, then Yoda, Mace, Dooke, Ki-Adi (basically everyone) would also have grown in skill.

The fact that Dooku is a more skilled swordsman. He has been studying fencing for longer than Anakin and uses a style of lightsaber combat designed for actually duelling with (other forms are more about deflection or acrobatics, not entirely duelling) Anakin (in the entire PT) is too aggressive and impatient to learn a form such as Makashi, therefore, he cannot become as good a swordsman as Dooku.

Had the fight been able to continue, I suspect Dooku would have cut Anakin as he did before in AotC. When they duelled then, they duelled for quite a while before Dooku cut him (although he cut Obi-Wan in a matter of seconds)

Yes, but it was not a fencing maneauver. Anakin did not beat Dooku through superior skill with a lightsaber.

Now you have explained that English is not your first language, you do not appear slow, and I will make allowances for using words or terms you might not understand.

The difference is Anakin's shitload of potential. He grew faster than anyone else, after practising about 11 years he was able to match masters in skill and power.

The novelisation says that Anakin's style is better against Makashi than any other, actually it is the best way to counter it thanks to it's hard and fast strikes. Anakin was noted by Dooku himself to be the best practitioner of that style he had seen....

But nothing says that Anakin couldn't..... Just because Dooku did it before doesn't mean he can do it again. The novelisation says that Dooku was getting more and more tired, Anakin wasn't. If Anakin could do this again he would sooner or later win. Even when Dooku was trying to kill Anakin he did not succeed because Anakin overwhealmed him. What says that Dooku would win, and what says that Anakin couldn't do the same over and over and over again?

Originally posted by kamikz
The difference is Anakin's shitload of potential. He grew faster than anyone else, after practising about 11 years he was able to match masters in skill and power.

Originally posted by kamikz
after practising about 11 years he was able to match masters in skill and power.

Originally posted by kamikz
The novelisation says that Anakin's style is better against Makashi than any other, actually it is the best way to counter it thanks to it's hard and fast strikes.

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin was noted by Dooku himself to be the best practitioner of that style he had seen....

Originally posted by kamikz
But nothing says that Anakin couldn't.....

Originally posted by kamikz
Just because Dooku did it before doesn't mean he can do it again.

As I seem to recall, Dooku never overcame Anakin in a contest of lightsabers in RotS. I don't seem to recall him actually ever landing a blow on Anakin either.

Rofl. So what's your point?

By the way, Lucas's words involving "in-universe" situations is absolute canon. The crap you bring up has to do with the "real world" involving Star Wars.

A moderator came and told you. Lucas's words are official canon, of the highest class.

Quit arguing against the policy. Shows how weak your argument is.

Originally posted by Escape81
As I seem to recall, Dooku [B]never overcame Anakin in a contest of lightsabers in RotS. I don't seem to recall him actually ever landing a blow on Anakin either.[/B]

Originally posted by Escape81
So what's your point?

Originally posted by Escape81
By the way, Lucas's words involving "in-universe" situations is absolute canon. The crap you bring up has to do with the "real world" involving Star Wars.

A moderator came and told you. Lucas's words are official canon, of the highest class.

Quit arguing against the policy. Shows how weak your argument is.

If you insist, but, remember what you get for accepting Lucas' word as canon over a finished movie?
Is that the sound of duelling lightsabers I hear...? No... It's the sound of Duelling Banjos...
http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/port_lofi.cfm?sound_iid=24623
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDymXAKFJ8s&search=leia%20kissing%20luke

Lucas is the highest canon. In-universe works, such as plot lines and situations are all subserviant to what he wants. He wrote and directed RotS. He is the absolute law when it comes to Star Wars.

He is just as canon as the movies and the novelizations.

So, what did Lucas say in the commentary?

He said that Palpatine was testing Anakin, to see if he was strong enough to become his next apprentice. We already know that Anakin's potential blows Dooku out of the water - but Palpatine was intent on gauging his current level of strength.

How'd he do it? He pitted him up against his current apprentice (Dooku). Who emerged victorious? Anakin. Anakin didn't spar with Dooku, he fought him. He used his lightsaber, and any other advantage he had at his disposal.

So, Dooku was instructed to go all out on Anakin. Why? Because if Anakin lost, or lost too quickly, then Palpatine would know that Anakin would not yet be ready for apprenticeship.

But Anakin won. And if Dooku didn't go all out it is because of his OWN arrogance and not orders from Palpatine.

Lucas = absolute canon, meaning my points trump yours. So quit arguing against a higher authority - the highest authority.

Originally posted by Escape81
Lucas is the [B]highest canon. In-universe works, such as plot lines and situations are all subserviant to what he wants. He wrote and directed RotS. He is the absolute law when it comes to Star Wars.

He is just as canon as the movies and the novelizations.

So, what did Lucas say in the commentary?

He said that Palpatine was testing Anakin, to see if he was strong enough to become his next apprentice. We already know that Anakin's potential blows Dooku out of the water - but Palpatine was intent on gauging his current level of strength.

How'd he do it? He pitted him up against his current apprentice (Dooku). Who emerged victorious? Anakin. Anakin didn't spar with Dooku, he fought him. He used his lightsaber, and any other advantage he had at his disposal.

So, Dooku was instructed to go all out on Anakin. Why? Because if Anakin lost, or lost too quickly, then Palpatine would know that Anakin would not yet be ready for apprenticeship.

But Anakin won. And if Dooku didn't go all out it is because of his OWN arrogance and not orders from Palpatine.

Lucas = absolute canon, meaning my points trump yours. So quit arguing against a higher authority - the highest authority. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Let's be clear. Anakin had great potential (Palpatine said so himself in RotS) but he never achieved it.

Indeed, it was only his incredible power that enabled him to advance so quickly (although he actually said to Dooku "I am a slow learner..." but I think he was joking) Dooku was quite capable of dealing with Anakin untill he (anakin) lost his temper.

It might be the best form to use against it, but that does not change the fact that Makashi is refered to as the ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat, so ultimately, a superior form than Djem So.

Yes, but Dooku was still the best practitioner of his own style, which, as I said above, is superior to Anakin's style.

The RotS movie says that Anakin couldn't overcome Dooku's style of fencing. His blade never touched Dooku until they had stopped duelling.

Ah, but Dooku beat Anakin previously through skill, not luck. Anakin got lucky in his duel with Dooku. It is unlikely that he would get the same opportunity again, but Dooku still had the same level of skill as he had before so it is more likely that he would have been able to cut Anakin again if he had to (or wanted to) Don't forget, Anakin would have been no use to Palpatine dead or cut up, so Dooku was not able to use the techniques he had used before.

Your ignoring the point I made. Anakin had great potential, which made him progress so much faster than everyone else. I didn't say he reached it, then he would be more than twice as strong as Palpatine, but he was gaining power much faster.... Exar Kun did not have as much potential as Anakin, still he in the matter of months managed to overcome his master who had previousley beaten him with considerable ease....

Actually, if I recall right it actually says "weak" against it....

And I say Anakin's style is very good against Dooku's, especially since their physical strenght has a difference which makes it even better for Anakin....

Many duels in Star Wars take over 5-10 minutes, does not mean anything really. So Anakin didn't overcome Dooku in that time, doesn't mean he wasn't going to. You cannot possibly say that Dooku was doing better than Anakin when they were fighting? Dooku didn't even get a single blow on him and was getting more and more tired....

And for the last time, the novel says that Dooku intended to kill Anakin, he did not know Palpatine wanted him alive, I doubt even Palpatine wanted Anakin alive if he failed. It's exactly the same deal as with Assaj.....

Originally posted by Darth Vious
This is what you get for accepting Lucas' word as canon over a finished movie:
Is that the sound of duelling lightsabers I hear...? No... It's the sound of Duelling Banjos...
http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/port_lofi.cfm?sound_iid=24623
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDymXAKFJ8s&search=leia%20kissing%20luke

Quit trying to argue against absolute canon. You're arguing against a commentary made by the guy who created Star Wars. The guy ultimately responsible for everything - the movies, the comics, the games. As creator, writer, and director - he has the ultimate authority.

The End.

Originally posted by Escape81

Quit trying to argue against absolute canon. You're arguing against a commentary made by the guy who created Star Wars. The guy ultimately responsible for everything - the movies, the comics, the games. As creator, writer, and director - he has the ultimate authority.

The End.

Originally posted by kamikz
Your ignoring the point I made.

Here are the canon facts (from the movies)
In AotC, Dooku defeated Obi-Wan easily with a lightsaber. He took longer to defeat Anakin with a lightsaber but did defeat him, and in a much more serious way.
In RotS, Anakin could not out-duel Dooku and had to resort to physical methods to defeat Dooku. Resorting to physical methods does not make Anakin a better swordsman than Dooku.