Team Tournament Information and Discussion Thread

I dislike having words put in my mouth out of context. Let's stop throwing my name around to back your arguments, especially when things are left out of my initial explanations. 😬

Regarding the use of other GLs in scans to argue points, you can use them if you want. My ok for that didn't mean that it would necessarily work, and everyone reading the fights can easily see that something Kilowog does might be possible for Kyle as well. But at the same time, it remains much more unlikely that it will be a perfect translation from 1 GL to another. You can use scans of any GL, but you do so at your own peril. Each inidividual judge can decide how much stock to put into the arguments made by them.

...now, what else do I have to deal with?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...now, what else do I have to deal with?

Oh, and on telepathy. I didn't want to neuter it beyond the point of being useful. Thus, our ruling was that if a character is vulnerable to tp, you can use that to shut his/her mind down for the win.

The only banned thing was taking over their mind and using them to fight for your side.

But banning mind-shutdown would've meant to make Juggernaut unkillable (aside from possible BFR techniques).

So as it applies to Spartan, if he's vulnerable to tp, they can't make him do overt actions through the tp (like taking himself apart), but they can hinder his attacks/movements/etc. and shut him down if possible.

Mmkay.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I dislike having words put in my mouth out of context. Let's stop throwing my name around to back your arguments, especially when things are left out of my initial explanations. 😬

😮 Sorry....

Pwned. 😂

i cannot imagine that any gl feat would be useable by any other gl. brains re different, minds are different but above all -- WILLPOWER is different.

john's willpower was shown to be < superman's strength. what does that mean? if john puts supes in a bubble he can't hold him. hal on the other hand can.

so, if you had john and used a scan of hal holding superman in a bubble then claimed john could do the same, that would be utterly fallacious. also, constructs are mind-based and people don't think the same way. something that might occur to kyle wouldn't necessarily occur to hal. it's the same thing as claiming all gl's think the same way and have the same willpower. for our part, i again don't really CARE how this turns out. we only used hal scans when looking through feats, but if it turns out all gl feats are applicable to all gls (as bw seems to want to claim), that . . . is ALSO quite fine . . . 😈

Originally posted by Blair Wind
😮 Sorry....

It's ok. Blair was essentially in the right in this case (with the GL scans), but it's just the principle of the matter that concerned me.

And what leo said....it's possible they can all do the same thing, but less likely if it's another's feat. So you can believe whichever way you want.

take what Digi said into consideration. I havent shown any scans that wouldnt be thought of by Kyle other than johns scans 😬 and it really wasnt that big. He blocked telepathy and I have seen others do the same....

I still find it to be very... iffy. But, hey, Digi's okay with it, so I'm done. Now, just answer ill's question about Kyle being able to whip up those Daxamites and we can move right along.

Originally posted by leonidas
i cannot imagine that any gl feat would be useable by any other gl. brains re different, minds are different but above all -- WILLPOWER is different.

john's willpower was shown to be < superman's strength. what does that mean? if john puts supes in a bubble he can't hold him. hal on the other hand can.

so, if you had john and used a scan of hal holding superman in a bubble then claimed john could do the same, that would be utterly fallacious.

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I already answered him but Ill go make a non official post about it in the thread if thats gonna make you happy 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I already answered him but Ill go make a non official post about it in the thread if thats gonna make you happy 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
i cannot imagine that any gl feat would be useable by any other gl. brains re different, minds are different but above all -- WILLPOWER is different.

john's willpower was shown to be < superman's strength. what does that mean? if john puts supes in a bubble he can't hold him. hal on the other hand can.

so, if you had john and used a scan of hal holding superman in a bubble then claimed john could do the same, that would be utterly fallacious. also, constructs are mind-based and people don't think the same way. something that might occur to kyle wouldn't necessarily occur to hal. it's the same thing as claiming all gl's think the same way and have the same willpower. for our part, i again don't really CARE how this turns out. we only used hal scans when looking through feats, but if it turns out all gl feats are applicable to all gls (as bw seems to want to claim), that . . . is ALSO quite fine . . . 😈

I'll tell you right now. 👇

That line of reasoning is like saying any person with the Power Cosmic can pull off Surfer feats and any person with extensive mixed martial arts training would be Batman. That's not the case and it's a hollow argument.

As Digi said, use that line of reasoning at your own peril.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'll tell you right now. 👇

That line of reasoning is like saying any person with the Power Cosmic can pull off Surfer feats and any person with extensive mixed martial arts training would be Batman. That's not the case and it's a hollow argument.

As Digi said, use that line of reasoning at your own peril.

er, i was arguing AGAINST all gl feats being useable by all gls . . . 😕

this time we're on the SAME side. you said exactly what i was saying. however, both our opinions are meaningless in the face of digi's decree . . .

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'll tell you right now. 👇

That line of reasoning is like saying any person with the Power Cosmic can pull off Surfer feats and any person with extensive mixed martial arts training would be Batman. That's not the case and it's a hollow argument.

As Digi said, use that line of reasoning at your own peril.

I think it depends more on the feat. If BW says Kyle can teleport because C'hp has teleported, well, thats a simple feat and something they should all be able to do. Teleportation (in comics) is not rocket science or anything. Now if BW says Kyle can nuke a galaxy because Sinestro did so, thats totally different.

If it's such a simple feat, then there should be no problem finding your own GL doing it.

Originally posted by Khellendros
If it's such a simple feat, then there should be no problem finding your own GL doing it.

Like Digi said before, thats up to the judges to decide.

Originally posted by Validus
It's not the same at all. People with the power cosmic have legitmately different powersets.

I think it depends more on the feat. If BW says Kyle can teleport because C'hp has teleported, well, thats a simple feat and something they should all be able to do. Teleportation (in comics) is not rocket science or anything. Now if BW says Kyle can nuke a galaxy because Sinestro did so, thats totally different.

Originally posted by Khellendros
If it's such a simple feat, then there should be no problem finding your own GL doing it.

All good points. But all things to be left for the battles. This has been settled, so let's leave it for now.

Originally posted by Validus
It's not the same at all. People with the power cosmic have legitmately different powersets.

I think it depends more on the feat. If BW says Kyle can teleport because C'hp has teleported, well, thats a simple feat and something they should all be able to do. Teleportation (in comics) is not rocket science or anything. Now if BW says Kyle can nuke a galaxy because Sinestro did so, thats totally different.

not the same at all, val. c'hp ported his OWN non-human (i assume) body. it would be different for hal to port his own body. and what if sinestro nuked the galaxy using some bizarro alien weapon that kyle has never seen and so could NOT recreate?

again, you're saying it's possible for all gl's to think the same way, and now you're trying to split hairs by saying it depends on the feat. but how do you prove kyle 'couldn't' do something if you allow for the fact that just because hal did it you ALLOW kyle to do it? i can't prove he can't do something . . .

each gl should use their own feats. how else are some gls better than others?

meh, it's moot since digi said all gls can use all gl feats. we shouldn't have bothered selecting individual gls then and anyone who didn't pick just some old gl, really made an error . . .