i do own that series thanks urizen its one of my favs i know he ran away i didnt come online and make it up, and he has been defied by dr strange, and he has been KO'd by reed richards i dont need to say much about the LT sept his recent showings when i point out how darkseid use to be one bad dude they point to his present showings but its a sin that mider does this to the LT? i think not, how have i mislead people ive seen the scan that LT said i might not be able to defeat warlock i mean i may not be all there but im not totally insane i know thats what i saw, and the ability to make the IG function ive pointed out how that can be done by ANYONE who has had possession of the gems, and i wish to know if that universe thanos made was a universe or pocket universe.
Originally posted by Mider
i do own that series thanks urizen its one of my favs i know he ran away i didnt come online and make it up, and he has been defied by dr strange, and he has been KO'd by reed richards i dont need to say much about the LT sept his recent showings when i point out how darkseid use to be one bad dude they point to his present showings but its a sin that mider does this to the LT? i think not, how have i mislead people ive seen the scan that LT said i might not be able to defeat warlock i mean i may not be all there but im not totally insane i know thats what i saw, and the ability to make the IG function ive pointed out how that can be done by ANYONE who has had possession of the gems, and i wish to know if that universe thanos made was a universe or pocket universe.
1) He did not run away Mider, Mr. Master already made it clear that he banished Korvac.
2) When has he been defied by Dr. Strange? And how? What actually happened? YOU NEVER go into detail man !
3) How has he been KO'd by Reed Richards???????? OMG Mr. MASTER ALREADY DISPROVED THAT WITH SCANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the matter with you? Okay, you don't have a scanner....can you atleast site specific comic book issues, and tell wat actually happened in detail? MY GOD.....
4) Thanos could not have possibly created a Pocket Universe, because in this universe not only did Mistress Death love him, but all the cosmics were trapped in place like in IG saga, AND Adam Warlock was killed....by Thanos.
This was clearly an ALTERNATE REALITY...a pocket universe cannot completely mimic every aspect of its prime universe. When Franklyn Richards created that pocket universe after the Onslaught ordeal, he only allowed those he invited to live there (Avengers, etc)....there were no replicas of heroes that Franklyn didn't allow to exist, where there???????
5) Again, you are completely missing the point. Living Tribunal CANCELLED the action that Adam Warlock took on the entire cosmic heirarchy. Adam Warlock was unable to defy the judgement that Living Tribunal made about ORDER in that court.
LT is way above classic IG....and classic IG has been evidently shown to be multiversal, but just universal.
Originally posted by kevdude
The only beings that was here before The Presence created creation was The Word, Lucifer and Michael, wouldn't you think that itself puts Lucifer above the Phoenix of the White Crown. Lord Urizen?
Nope👇
In Spawn, Angela came way before Malebolgia. That didn't make her more powerful.
In Spiderman, Venom came before Carnage. That didn't make him any better, stronger, or any more dangerous than Carnage.
Mammon came way before Spawn, like millions of years before...yet Spawn humiliated him like nothing in issue # 89.
The question is...did Micheal and Lucifer come before White Pheonix of the Crown? You are treating this as if the DC and Marvel megaverses were birthed at the same time or something....
The White Pheonix of the Crown is not beatable. It's the embodyment of all the power that exists in Marvel below TOAA......not to mention the virtual embodyment of everything that exists below the TOAA.
If ANYTHING the White Pheonix of the Crown can be very much compared to the Presence. They are entities, but not actual ego-beings. They are the forces that gave birth to everything else.
Let me simplify my argument before I go out of control lol
1)Lucifer- the embodyment of Yahweh's will.
2)Micheal- the embodyment of Yahweh's power.
3)White Pheonix of the Crown- the "spark" of creation, the creation force itself. The giver of birth to Marvel's entire existance (other than TOAA)
You do the math.
And BTW, I heard that there were 3 endless who are older than Lucifer, one of them being Death. Is that true?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nope👇In Spawn, Angela came way before Malebolgia. That didn't make her more powerful.
In Spiderman, Venom came before Carnage. That didn't make him any better, stronger, or any more dangerous than Carnage.
Mammon came way before Spawn, like millions of years before...yet Spawn humiliated him like nothing in issue # 89.
The question is...did Micheal and Lucifer come before White Pheonix of the Crown? You are treating this as if the DC and Marvel megaverses were birthed at the same time or something....
The White Pheonix of the Crown is not beatable. It's the embodyment of all the power that exists in Marvel below TOAA......not to mention the virtual embodyment of everything that exists below the TOAA.
If ANYTHING the White Pheonix of the Crown can be very much compared to the Presence. They are entities, but not actual ego-beings. They are the forces that gave birth to everything else.
Let me simplify my argument before I go out of control lol
1)[b]Lucifer
- the embodyment of Yahweh's will.2)Micheal- the embodyment of Yahweh's power.
3)White Pheonix of the Crown- the "spark" of creation, the creation force itself. The giver of birth to Marvel's entire existance (other than TOAA)
You do the math.
And BTW, I heard that there were 3 endless who are older than Lucifer, one of them being Death. Is that true? [/B]
Everything is right, man. Lucifer can't do shit to White Pheonix of the Crown.
If we do the comparison, White Phoenix of the Crown is more comparable to The Presence.
Originally posted by XplosiveYou must be out of your mind. Pheonix is in no way comparable to The Presence.
Everything is right, man. Lucifer can't do shit to White Pheonix of the Crown.
If we do the comparison, White Phoenix of the Crown is more comparable to The Presence.
The most powerful being is the writer. The writer has the power to turn a pube into the most powerful being to ever exist, in all realities and all universes.
The Beyonder, The Presence, Thanos IG, The Brothers, blah blah blah.
Editor: "Hey, we need more money."
Writer: "Okay, I'll write a new God character."
Editor "Sounds good, but what about that Beyonder chap?"
Writer: "Not a problem, I'll poo poo his name and pretend he wasn't that powerful in the first place."
Editor: "Wow, do you think the fans will understand?"
Writer: "F*** them, I'm God."
Editor: "You're fired. Now who's God, *****."
Sorry to be so cynical but it's the truth.
Originally posted by Juntai
You must be out of your mind. Pheonix is in no way comparable to The Presence.
Pheonix is just as much a byproduct of creation's being as it is the creator. Not true with The Presence. Pheonix is akin to The Source is anything, the power of creation.
White Pheonix of the Crown is so far comparible to the Presence itself. I never said equal to or on par with.
And na-ah......The White Pheonix of the Crown is definately above Lucifer and Micheal. Individually they are almost NOTHING to it.
1)Lucifer- by himself only created ONE UNIVERSE with its orders, concepts, structures, etc. Thanos with IG can do the same, MAGUS with incomplete IG HAD done the same.
2)Micheal- by himself has the RAW ENERGY needed to create a multiverse, since he is Yahweh's "power." However, without Lucifer's will to shape this power into a multiverse, Micheal can't create crap.
White Pheonix of the Crown is the GIVER of BIRTH to the entire Marvel existance (other than TOAA).
It is not even certain if TOAA created everything himself (unless you go by Fantastic Four's issue where they meet the "Artist", but that contradicts everything else that Marvel has presented)
White Pheonix of the Crown is not just the SPARK of Creation....she is the GIVER OF BIRTH to the rest of Marvel's multiverses.
Micheal and Lucifer do not compare. 😉
Originally posted by NorrinRadd
The most powerful being is the writer. The writer has the power to turn a pube into the most powerful being to ever exist, in all realities and all universes.The Beyonder, The Presence, Thanos IG, The Brothers, blah blah blah.
Editor: "Hey, we need more money."
Writer: "Okay, I'll write a new God character."
Editor "Sounds good, but what about that Beyonder chap?"
Writer: "Not a problem, I'll poo poo his name and pretend he wasn't that powerful in the first place."
Editor: "Wow, do you think the fans will understand?"
Writer: "F*** them, I'm God."
Editor: "You're fired. Now who's God, *****."
Sorry to be so cynical but it's the truth.
Classic Beyonder has the SAME power those writers do. Only difference is that he exists in the comic book while the writer's exist outside of it.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]White Pheonix of the Crown is so far comparible to the Presence itself. I never said equal to or on par with.And na-ah......The White Pheonix of the Crown is definately above Lucifer and Micheal. Individually they are almost NOTHING to it.
1)Lucifer- by himself only created ONE UNIVERSE with its orders, concepts, structures, etc. Thanos with IG can do the same, MAGUS with incomplete IG HAD done the same.
2)Micheal- by himself has the RAW ENERGY needed to create a multiverse, since he is Yahweh's "power." However, without Lucifer's will to shape this power into a multiverse, Micheal can't create crap.
White Pheonix of the Crown is the GIVER of BIRTH to the entire Marvel existance (other than TOAA).
It is not even certain if TOAA created everything himself (unless you go by Fantastic Four's issue where they meet the "Artist", but that contradicts everything else that Marvel has presented)
White Pheonix of the Crown is not just the SPARK of Creation....she is the GIVER OF BIRTH to the rest of Marvel's multiverses.
Micheal and Lucifer do not compare. 😉 [/B]
I don't really see how you can say Michael and Lucifer do not compare to Phoenix of the White Crown. They created another Multiverse by themselves. It is more comparable to Michaels power that he used in the new universe that they both created then anything else. And Michael is the 1 that uses this power all the time. If he can control a portion of Gods power then he is above The Phoenix of the White Crown. The Phoenix was seen GOING INTO THE Source Wall going to The Source itself (The Source Wall is mainly seen in the DCU but was seen once in the MU as well), this is where EVERYTHING in Creation comes from. Do i need to say more? 😉
Originally posted by kevdude
I don't really see how you can say Michael and Lucifer do not compare to Phoenix of the White Crown. They created another Multiverse by themselves. It is more comparable to Michaels power that he used in the new universe that they both created then anything else. And Michael is the 1 that uses this power all the time. If he can control a portion of Gods power then he is above The Phoenix of the White Crown. The Phoenix was seen GOING INTO THE Source Wall going to The Source itself (The Source Wall is mainly seen in the DCU but was seen once in the MU as well), this is where EVERYTHING in Creation comes from. Do i need to say more? 😉
Michael and Lucifer individually are not comparable to the White Phoenix of the Crown, they are not. They can't do shit.
Originally posted by kevdude
If he can control a portion of Gods power then he is above The Phoenix of the White Crown.
Aha, and White Phoenix of the Crown, what she uses? Just because he uses portion of The Presence power, that puts him automaticlly above WPOTC.
Wouldn't you say at what power WPOTC has, don't you think she uses also such power in range, or in power level.
Michael hasn't proven to be on par with WPOTC. He can't create Multiverse on his own nor can Lucifer.
And MU exist because of Phoenix Force. And in MU there have been beings, elements that has proven can do the same what Lucifer did (like IG, and there are such beings as Eternity, Death,...).
And all in all, they exist beacuse of Phoenix Force.
White Pheonix of the Crown is the GIVER of BIRTH to the entire Marvel existence (other than TOAA), so that means that there are things in MU that did what Lucifer did, and they exist because of PF.
So PF is the giver of birth of things that are easily comparable to Lucifer.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Michael and Lucifer individually are not comparable to the White Phoenix of the Crown, they are not. They can't do shit.Aha, and White Phoenix of the Crown, what she uses? Just because he uses portion of The Presence power, that puts him automaticlly above WPOTC.
Wouldn't you say at what power WPOTC has, don't you think she uses also such power in range, or in power level.
Michael hasn't proven to be on par with WPOTC. He can't create Multiverse on his own nor can Lucifer.And MU exist because of Phoenix Force. And in MU there have been beings, elements that has proven can do the same what Lucifer did (like IG, and there are such beings as Eternity, Death,...).
And all in all, they exist beacuse of Phoenix Force.White Pheonix of the Crown is the GIVER of BIRTH to the entire Marvel existence (other than TOAA), so that means that there are things in MU that did what Lucifer did, and they exist because of PF.
So PF is the giver of birth of things that are easily comparable to Lucifer.
RIGHT ON BROTHER !
Originally posted by kevdude
I don't really see how you can say Michael and Lucifer do not compare to Phoenix of the White Crown. They created another Multiverse by themselves. It is more comparable to Michaels power that he used in the new universe that they both created then anything else. And Michael is the 1 that uses this power all the time. If he can control a portion of Gods power then he is above The Phoenix of the White Crown. The Phoenix was seen GOING INTO THE Source Wall going to The Source itself (The Source Wall is mainly seen in the DCU but was seen once in the MU as well), this is where EVERYTHING in Creation comes from. Do i need to say more? 😉
Michael and Lucifer both individually and combined have never ever created a multiverse, they have however (according to Lucifers title) been involved whilst God made his own universe and then the Brothers proceeded to create Lucifers universe:
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As for the Uncanny x-men/Teen titans crossover, we've been through this before Kev 😉
Phoenix who herself is a physical manifestation of the Phoenix Force was in said crossover formed from the Source and at the end of the title returned to the Source. This title suggested an equivalency between the Phoenix Force of Marvel and the Source of DC. Them both being the energies of creation for their respective multiverses.
