Count Dooku runs the Gauntlet!

Originally posted by DE Luke
Atleast I'm not the one who true to pass his opinion off as 'proof'.And I agreed with Escape the same way he explained before,repeating it would be useless and a waste of time because it would be the EXACT same thing.Your the last person who should discriminate considering you don't even take Lucas' word for it and just replace his word with your own overbiased opinion.You have no right to incriminate who's who considering that you think your own opinion contradict's the very man who wrote the movie's word,hypocrite.

Pull your head out of your a$$. I take GL's word as proof. When did I never? Your drawing at straws. . .when did I ever say my word was law? Never. All I do is present is sound evidence and arguements and you b!tch that I am surely wrong. . .

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Pull your head out of your a$$. I take GL's word as proof. When did I never? Your drawing at straws. . .

Originally posted by DE Luke
You're still saying that Dooku woud still beat Anakin in the Dooku's Skill thread,and last time I checked I provided 3 sources,one from Lucas' own mouth,the Script and the Novel,and the fanboys,including you, in that thread still say that he would be able to beat Anakin.Looks like you don't,and it looks like I'm not the one who needs to get his head out of his ass,it's you.

I have also presented quotes of the actual script and makers words. Dooku is better. Maybe not more powerful, but better. Like I have said before don't point fingers when you already have a character up in your a$$ like your favorite vibrator. . .

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
I have also presented quotes of the actual script and makers words. Dooku is better. Maybe not more powerful, but better. Like I have said before don't point fingers when you already have a character up in your a$$ like your favorite vibrator. . .

Originally posted by DE Luke
Yeah,Dooku's better alright,that's why he has no hands and no head.Have nothing better to do than jerk off to Dooku?

No. I have your mom. . .

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
No. I have your mom. . .

The Force fight:

After disabling Palpatine's elite, Yoda banters with the Dark Lord for a few moments - before Palpatine decides to let Yoda "experience the full power of the Dark Side".

Palpatine then raises his hands and fires off a burst of Force lightning at Yoda, who raises his hands - but is overpowered and flung towards the opposite wall.

After a few moments, Yoda rises and - after a little exchange - Force pushes Palpatine back across the room, where the Dark Lord tips over his desk (spread-eagled. 😖). Palpatine, realizing that his "little green friend" really isn't the type to be screwed with, attempts to flee. But Yoda is quicker to the door, and blocks him.

After another exchange, Yoda draws his saber - as does Palpatine. Yoda rushes over Palpatine, attempting to strike him over the head. Palpatine blocks, and Yoda flips off of the Chancellor's podium to land in front of Palpatine.

They attack each other, and Yoda pushes Palpatine's saber back. Palpatine cackles and then slashes at Yoda.

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Palpatine's saber fight with Yoda is also roughly 40 seconds long (not including shown before they got on the podium and the footage shown where Palpatine "loses his saber"😉.

Palpatine maintains the center "block" on the podium (the Chancellor's one) while Yoda attempts to overwhelm Palpatine. It should be noted that, though Palpatine is remaining relatively stationary - he is meeting Yoda attack for attack. Meaning that they are both moving their sabers at the same time. So it isn't Yoda attacking and Palpatine simply blocking.

Yoda then forces (no pun intended) Palpatine to Mas Amedda's block (down beside Palpatine's) while he takes the Chancellor's block, for a few seconds. Then, Palpatine forces Yoda back to Sly Moore's spot, retaking the Chancellor's podium. The fight ends when we see Yoda continuously flipping around, attempting to breach Palpatine's defenses.

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Palpatine then tries to hurl three or more massive repulsor pods at Yoda. Yoda dodges them all, but the final one knocks him onto another pod. Palpatine rips a final pod from its mooring and chucks it at Yoda, who catches it, spins it, and sends it back. Palpatine cackles - and then just stares at it - before moving away at the last moment to drop down to the pod below.

Yoda follows, and is disarmed by a blast of Force lightning. Yoda is then assaulted by Palpatine - who closes in on Yoda. Palpatine is the one who is creating the energy, whereas Yoda is simply holding it at bay - thus, Palpatine is able to advance on Yoda. Yoda is having a hell of a time (unlike with Dooku) holding Palpatine's lightning back. He's leaning backwards, grimacing as Palpatine cackles. Finally, Yoda growls and glares at Palpatine - who looks surprised.

Now, carefully.

Yoda is NOT the one responsible for the explosion of energies. If one looks carefully, one notices that the ball of Palpatine's Force lightning actually NEVER touches him. Essentially, Palpatine's energy is going to explode.

See, the energy ball of collected energy starts out right at Yoda's finger tips. Palpatine is generating the lightning, and the ball is forming just a little away from Yoda's finger tips (who is using the Force to hold it back). All Yoda does is push the ball firmly in between him and Palpatine. The energy ball never touches Palpatine - and it shows when the energy repells them both. Yoda is flung off the pod down to the floor, and Palpatine rights himself.

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Verdict: Yoda and Palpatine are virtual equals. They truly stalemated one another in a battle to the absolute death.

Originally posted by DE Luke
I don't have a mom,the only mom I know is yours.You still owe me a Happy Fathers Day.

Dude, just stop. Not only do you risk getting banned, but you're totally spamming the thread (which is causing my arguments to get separated).

Win the debate with logic. Not insults.

You're right,Escape.I apologize.

Final verdict:
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Yoda and Palpatine truly are virtual equals. Yoda and Dooku, on the other hand, are not. As shown in Dark Rendezvous, Yoda and Dooku confront one another one Vjun - a world firmly steeped in the Dark Side.

Yoda, not only at this disadvantage, is also distracted by Dooku (who pulls the same tactic he did in AotC), who tossed a maid out of a window. Yoda not only manages to evade Dooku despite being on a planet deep in the Dark Side - but he also manages to catch this woman and deposit her safely to the ground simultaneously.

He then engages Dooku in a battle, and wins, forcing Dooku to flee Vjun.

Yoda is a firm superior to Dooku, which makes Sidious a firm superior to him as well.

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If Dooku makes it past six, he will die when he faces Palpatine.

Originally posted by DE Luke
I don't have a mom,the only mom I know is yours.You still owe me a Happy Fathers Day.

Nonsense. Go f*ck yourself to DE Luke Fanboyus Maximus.

Originally posted by Escape81
Dude, just stop. Not only do you risk getting banned, but you're totally spamming the thread (which is causing my arguments to get separated).

Win the debate with logic. Not insults.

I'll stop if he would step off. . .

I just did.

And good work ,Escape.Though I haven't read Dark Rendevous,I agree with your better judgment.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
I'll stop if he would step off. . .

He said he's done.

This is the problem. You're both at fault.

A lot of it happens to be over your personal preferences. Don't tell me that you Pyro Tyrannus is NOT someone who easily prefers Dooku to any other Star Wars character. Or Rampant Ox, the guy who strongly implies that he is in love with Christopher Lee.

I prefer Yoda, Palpatine, and Exar Kun - as well as General Grievous. But, I won't hesitate to tell you when they'd lose, when they'd get owned.

You, on the other hand, do.

You, who says that Dooku was toying with Mace on Boz Pity. That is poor, twisted logic. Dooku and Windu were fighting, and Dooku's Magnaguards blindsided Mace - allowing Dooku to "make his departure".

AFTER that happens, he is told that Grievous was alive.

No. That proves it. Dooku could never toy with Mace. EVER. A fight between them could go either way.

Again,agreed.Except if there was duel say, Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow vs DE Luke Skywalker,I would say the duo.I don't believe the character I like to be infallible.He has his weakness',just like every person does.

And if you read Jedi: Dooku,Dooku does state Mace to be a very big threat to the Confederacy.So if Dooku admits that Mace is a serious threat,then don't you think that Dooku would take Mace seriously in a duel?

he goes down on 5 or 6

Meh, Palpatine vs Yoda always felt like the ultimate evil vs the ultimate good type of thing. Neither could really overwhelm the other. It's symbolic, IMO.

Originally posted by DE Luke
You're still saying that Dooku woud still beat Anakin in the Dooku's Skill thread,and last time I checked I provided 3 sources,one from Lucas' own mouth,the Script and the Novel,and the fanboys,including you, in that thread still say that he would be able to beat Anakin.

Originally posted by DE Luke
Yeah,Dooku's better alright,that's why he has no hands and no head.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
There was no mention on the DVD of Dooku fighting to his best, only that the actor portraying him was trying his best, and again, Dooku thought Anakin would play a role in the Sith ranks, so, as with Assaj, he was not trying to kill, he was just providing what the Jedi would consider a Trial. As I said before, Anakin did not beat Dooku in a blade on blade duel, he physically overpowered the older man (which is hardly difficult given their respective ages) by grabbing his arms, which immobilized his lightsaber, and then cut his hands off, something Dooku had no way of preventing, so it was a totally chickenshit move on Anakin's part. Dooku on the other hand, had previously cut Anakin's arm off while in the middle of a blade to blade confrontation, and did not have to resort to physical means, so was clearly a superior swordsman.

Originally posted by DE Luke
Wherein I told you to look at the novel and look on the DVD for commentary from Lucas' confirming my point,I even provided you with a source to the script.

[QUOTE=6737843]Originally posted by Rampant ox
[b]You're quite fond of showing that Windu is younger and possesses less experience. That means that Windu's room for improvement is larger than Dooku's own.

No. Everyone has their limits on how powerful they can become. They are on par. Mace reached his potential far quicker than Dooku reached his. However by ROTS they had basically become as strong as they were going to get and this strength was equal. Because Mace is younger means little, only less force control. Dooku's age means more practice - and more practice means more control. So Mace will never have the same force control as Dooku because Dooku will always be older and have practiced more. This is why i say that Maces youth will be his downfall against the Count. Because he will never have the same force control.
That means nothing. Far younger force users have defeated far older ones. Dooku is unable to channel his darkness like Mace does, moot points

Poor logic.

You're telling me that being on the battlefield (which gives them effective excuses to actively use their Force and saber abilities) would not give them any improvement?

You may wish to rethink that.

Like I said before they had both reached their potential. They werent going to get any stronger.
There's always time to get stronger

Dooku risked death when he ever encountered a Clone Trooper. Yoda risked death when he ever encountered a Clone Trooper or a Battle droid. So did Mace. But that didn't stop them, did it?

Palpatine risked death when he hurled himself at three very capable Jedi Masters in his office.

Risk is nothing. Dooku and Sidious fear how big the risk was. In either case, the risk of their death was EXTREMELY high. Easily fifty percent.

Your twisting the point. Humans go outside, even though there is a risk of getting hit by a car. Dooku fights clone troopers, even though there is a risk of getting shot. These are very small risks and are irrelevant. However fighting another jedi/sith is completely different. You know there is a chance of being killed. Sith fear death and would often avoid confrontation that could lead to death. For example Sids vs Yoda. Sids tried to run but in the fight he still won.
A straight up battle is different than an infintesimal chance. Dooku has been shown to take the initiative many times.

Meaning that all Sith (save for Darth Maul - who was raised to be without ambition) wish to eventually kill their master, and assume the mantle themselves.

It does mean something. It means that Dooku was so frightened of Sidious that he didn't attempt to kill him.

Hmmm. Dooku was once a jedi. He had a senseof honour and pride that most sith lacked. I doubt that he didnt kill Sids because of fear, more that he was loyal.
He wasn't. He certainly plotted to overthrow his master, remember AOTC? "Join me, Obi-wan!" And many Dooku was so 'honorable', he created a pawn to butcher and genocide untold civilians to take the heat off himself in the war. and many Sith were once Jedi: Kaan, Ruin, Malak, Exar Kun, the original Dark Lords, Xendor, Anakin...no, Dooku was just as much a monster as the others.

All you're doing is attempting to put Dooku in a hypothetical situation where he might win. Yes, the chance is there. Hell, in the proper environment, Grievous or Obi-Wan could kill Sidious - I'm sure.

No. I doubt that they would beat Sids even if they had the advantage. In an enclosed space Dooku wins. An open space Sids wins.
Or in an enclosed space Sidious just lets the force fly and Dooku Die

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He wasn't. He certainly plotted to overthrow his master, remember AOTC? "Join me, Obi-wan!" And many Dooku was so 'honorable', he created a pawn to butcher and genocide untold civilians to take the heat off himself in the war. and many Sith were once Jedi: Kaan, Ruin, Malak, Exar Kun, the original Dark Lords, Xendor, Anakin...no, Dooku was just as much a monster as the others.